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[Lawdwaz]

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It's getting pretty close to it being too late for this year for me already. I won't buy a rifle until I know the law is in effect. After all, this is the third go at it ..... lol. The longer it goes without a rifle purchase, the less time I will have to make the final decision of what caliber, what make and model, what scope, etc. etc. I also need some time to get the thing sighted in and to shoot it enough to feel real comfortable with it.

I'm thinking that maybe the bill got buried under a whole pile of other bills of higher priority while they were messing around all those months trying to pass the budget.

Doc

Hey Doc-

I don't know you from the Man on the Moon but if they pass that rifle bill on the Thursday afternoon before gun season opens you can borrow a Remington 722 in 257 Bob.  Sighted in and ready to rock,Doc!

[Doc]

Thanks for the offer. I'll keep that in mind. But, I suppose I can probably live with that old shoulder mangler of a 12 guage for another year if I have to. Actually, I'm really looking for an excuse to buy another rifle ..... lol. Can't justify it as a "need". But it sure is a "want".

Thanks again for the offer. I appreciate it.

Doc

[Doc]

Interesting development in the southern Ontario County Rifle bill. I have unofficially heard that the Canadice Town Supervisor sent a letter to Governor Paterson about the county vote that indicated approval. She explained to him that while the proposal was officially passed, the actual vote was against passing the measure. The actual vote of individual supervisors was 12 to 9 against passing the proposal.

So how did it get registered as an approved proposal? It turns out that Ontario County has a "weighted" vote that gives some townships a vote that counts more than others. That's based on population and is supposed to make the vote more fair in that it is based on the actual number of people that are in each township. Now here's the problem ...... The people voting against the measure were from the townships south of rts 5 & 20 which is the area that the law would pertain to, while the bigger townships to the north which would not be effected were the ones that voted for it. So it turns out that the larger towns who are not affected were able to force a law regarding local safety on the smaller towns that are actually affected.

Well, this is where the plot thickens .... lol. The Canadice Town Supervisor sent a letter to the Governor laying this whole scenario out. Will it change anything? ..... Don't know. Only time will tell, but the rifle bill is not a done-deal in Ontario County. So I'm still not running right out just yet and buying a shiny new deer rifle.

This bill is turning into a real comedy with more twists and turns that any work of fiction could ever conjure up.

Doc

[Lawdwaz]

I have to wonder if this is a personal thing for Ms. Singer. 

Is she REALLY getting pressured from that many concerned citizens or is just a few connected individuals?

Or is it just her own fear of the rifle? 


Is this the first time this "weighted" vote has ever been questioned?

Comical to say the least.

[Doc]

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I have to wonder if this is a personal thing for Ms. Singer. 

Is she REALLY getting pressured from that many concerned citizens or is just a few connected individuals?

Or is it just her own fear of the rifle? 


Is this the first time this "weighted" vote has ever been questioned?

Comical to say the least.

She admits that she has her own individual fears about the added range, but also claims to have found support for her opposition among residents of her township. Also, according to the vote, she is not alone in the southern Ontario township supervisors, In fact I believe it was unanimous opposition among all the supervisors in the affected area.

I must admit that I have mixed feelings also on the issue. I have two opinions. One as a hunter, and another as a landowner whose house sits at the end of a 200 Yard state field with a not very substantial hedgerow between us.....lol. I sure would love to ditch that shoulder masher 12 guage and pick up something like a .243 that I could target practice with all day and then go deer hunting with, enjoying the added pin-point accuracy. But I keep looking over at that hedgerow, remembering how many times over the past decades that I have watched deer sneaking off the hill headed toward the thickets at the bottom that have used that hedge as their route.

So either way, I will wind up disappointed. However, I won't have anyone to be mad at because I understand both positions.

Doc

[Doc]

It sounds like we can write off having the use of rifles in southern Ontario County this year. As I suspected was happening, the bill never came out of the Senate committee due to their activity on the higher priority budget work. I'm not sure exactly where that leaves the bill as far as its future. I'm not sure whether once they get time to begin with it again, it will pick up where it is now, or whether they will go back to square one with it. The article in the New York Outdoor News wasn't clear on where the bills go from here, but they said that the bills died a "natural death" for this year ...... whatever that means.

Doc

[Lawdwaz]

Think of the money you saved!

Looks like an XP 100 R is in order,  that or a T/C Contender/Encore or a Savage Striker.  So much safer than a rifle. 

Idiots.

Go Paladino.

[Pygmy]

Doc... Sorry it hasn't happened yet... ....

BUT I can give you a VERY good deal on an XP-100 in .260 Rem.... ...

[WNYBuckHunter]

My Encore is just as legal as a shotgun, no worries here. 

[Doc]

I really had my heart set on a new gun and scope this year, but maybe having another year to save for it will mean that I can get a better quality rifle and have a little extra time to figure out exactly what I want. Anyway, what the heck, my shoulder cam take one more year with that 12 guage shoulder mangler. ;D

Doc

[WNYBuckHunter]

I hate it when I cant justify that new toy lol 

[burmjohn]

There is ALWAYS a way to justify a new toy.  Ask my wife, I got every justification in the book.

My favorite one is, I sold the old one on ebay, so its like basically I broke even but got a better one.

[WNYBuckHunter]

HAHAHA sounds like what I say!  ;D

[Lawdwaz]

So, since the Governor signed the xbow bill,  did he get a chance to ink up the  rifle bill for Ontario and Wyoming Counties??????

[Doc]

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So, since the Governor signed the xbow bill,  did he get a chance to ink up the  rifle bill for Ontario and Wyoming Counties? ??? ??

I don't think it ever got to him. The way I read it in the paper was that it was killed in a senate committee because they never got to it due to the prolonged budget activities. I'm not sure just where it leaves the bill now, or what the next step is. It would have been nice if the newpaper article has gone that one extra step to explain just what happens now, but as often is the case, they just left the story hanging.

I believe there may have been some complications when it got to the Governor for signing anyway. See the previous post (about 12 replies ago) that outlines the action by the Town Supervisor from Canadice. I don't know whether her efforts would have made any difference or not, but she was trying to get it killed with some arguments that might have been pretty convincing to the governor.

Doc

[WNYBuckHunter]

Doc, if you have the specific bill number, you can find its status. Let me see if I can dig that site up for you.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Here you go....

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/

[Doc]

It's been so long, I can't remember the bill number. Plus this is the third time it's been submitted so the number that I had probably isn't the same as back when I was following it. I really don't expect anything from it for this year anyway. I'll check down at the town hall with the supervisor. He has been staying on top of that one.