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So you dont think the Govt should have a list of people with pistol permits? How would they keep things straight if they didnt? What would be the point of having the permits at all?

If we were not "forced" to have a permit, the government could then concentrate on all their inside criminal activity.

[WNYBuckHunter]

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So you dont think the Govt should have a list of people with pistol permits? How would they keep things straight if they didnt? What would be the point of having the permits at all?

If we were not "forced" to have a permit, the government could then concentrate on all their inside criminal activity.

So you dont agree with permits either?

Look, I have a situation going with someone I know trying to get their permit as we speak. He got denied, and rightfully so. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy and he means well, but I dont feel comfortable with him having a concealed carry permit. He is on medication and sees a shrink. He is one of those guys that is obsessive about things and depending on if his meds are right, has a tendency of flying off the handle about things that just plain dont warrant it. I am glad he didnt get his permit, and hope like hell that the decision sticks when he goes in to appeal it.

That right there is exactly why we have the permits, and in this case, the system worked.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

Come get 'em LOL!

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So you dont think the Govt should have a list of people with pistol permits? How would they keep things straight if they didnt? What would be the point of having the permits at all?

If we were not "forced" to have a permit, the government could then concentrate on all their inside criminal activity.

So you dont agree with permits either?

Look, I have a situation going with someone I know trying to get their permit as we speak. He got denied, and rightfully so. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy and he means well, but I dont feel comfortable with him having a concealed carry permit. He is on medication and sees a shrink. He is one of those guys that is obsessive about things and depending on if his meds are right, has a tendency of flying off the handle about things that just plain dont warrant it. I am glad he didnt get his permit, and hope like hell that the decision sticks when he goes in to appeal it.

That right there is exactly why we have the permits, and in this case, the system worked.

yeah he can go to walmart fill put a form and get a shotgun and kill just as many or break into your house and steal your handguns to kill people. Then you will be in as much trouble as he.  I am glad mine is listed on there.  I just wish they would have added and he is not afraid to use them so beware.  I am not ashamed I have a concealed carry permit or who knows it. Who are you to say who gets a permit and who shouldnt?

[WNYBuckHunter]

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So you dont think the Govt should have a list of people with pistol permits? How would they keep things straight if they didnt? What would be the point of having the permits at all?

If we were not "forced" to have a permit, the government could then concentrate on all their inside criminal activity.

So you dont agree with permits either?

Look, I have a situation going with someone I know trying to get their permit as we speak. He got denied, and rightfully so. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy and he means well, but I dont feel comfortable with him having a concealed carry permit. He is on medication and sees a shrink. He is one of those guys that is obsessive about things and depending on if his meds are right, has a tendency of flying off the handle about things that just plain dont warrant it. I am glad he didnt get his permit, and hope like hell that the decision sticks when he goes in to appeal it.

That right there is exactly why we have the permits, and in this case, the system worked.

yeah he can go to walmart fill put a form and get a shotgun and kill just as many or break into your house and steal your handguns to kill people. Then you will be in as much trouble as he.  I am glad mine is listed on there.  I just wish they would have added and he is not afraid to use them so beware.  I am not ashamed I have a concealed carry permit or who knows it. Who are you to say who gets a permit and who shouldnt?

I know he can go buy a shotgun or rifle, Ive told him that he would have no problem getting one and even that if he really wanted to have home protection, a nice pump shotgun is the way to go. My guns are locked up my friend, in a nice safe thats bolted to the floor and wall. Good luck stealing them because they are in there unless they are on me. As far as who I am, I never said the guy couldnt have one, I feel that he shouldnt have one, and unless you know him and how he is, you wouldnt know enough to comment on it. I have no choice but to deal with the guy, and I have every right to say I dont feel comfortable with him carrying a concealed handgun.

[bubba]

well since I work as a mental health nurse, I kinda do know about people who are on meds and see psychaitrists. it does nt mean every one of them is nuts and should not have a gun or a permit. If he has no tbeen hospitalized for his illness or ever been  in legal trouble he has as much right to a permit as you do. Mental illness is a disease.  People live very normal lives an dkeep it under control.  That is like saying anyone with diabetes who can go low and be disoriented or anyone with sezure disorders shoud not be allowed to have a permit.  I love the holier than thou attitude. 

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well since I work as a mental health nurse, I kinda do know about people who are on meds and see psychaitrists. it does nt mean every one of them is nuts and should not have a gun or a permit. If he has no tbeen hospitalized for his illness or ever been  in legal trouble he has as much right to a permit as you do. Mental illness is a disease.  People live very normal lives an dkeep it under control.  That is like saying anyone with diabetes who can go low and be disoriented or anyone with sezure disorders shoud not be allowed to have a permit.  I love the holier than thou attitude.

Again, you dont know the guy, commenting on whether someone you dont know should or shouldnt have a handgun permit is pretty silly. Dont you think? You seriously think that if someone is unstable when they miss their meds, and has big mood swings at those times, they should carry a handgun? Really?

Theres no holier than thou attitude here.

[bubba]

handgun verses shotgun you tell me the difference then? you told him to go get a shotgun

[Mr VJP]

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handgun verses shotgun you tell me the difference then? you told him to go get a shotgun

The handgun is easily concealable, A shotgun, in legal configuration, not so much. This guy is citing home protection as a reason to get a carry permit. Thats a bunch of bull. If my house was broken into and I needed to defend myself, the first thing Im grabbing is my shotgun, not my handgun.

[bubba]

so the guy with mental issues will be ok with a shotgun but not a handgun just because it can be concealed?  kind of hypocritical i would say to n twan thim to hav eone but is ok with the other.  just my opinion and I am entitled to have one even though I know you will not respond. well actually you will ciz you need to have the last word.  You told me I had no business commenting about somene I know nothing about and I was being foolish to comment. Well I think it is foolish to be glad a guy didnt get a prmit due to his mental illness but tell him to get a shotgun.

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so the guy with mental issues will be ok with a shotgun but not a handgun just because it can be concealed?  kind of hypocritical i would say to n twan thim to hav eone but is ok with the other.  just my opinion and I am entitled to have one even though I know you will not respond. well actually you will ciz you need to have the last word.  You told me I had no business commenting about somene I know nothing about and I was being foolish to comment. Well I think it is foolish to be glad a guy didnt get a prmit due to his mental illness but tell him to get a shotgun.

Ok, let me spell it out for you, since you dont seem to be understanding what I am saying...

I dont feel comfortable with a mentally unstable individual being able to legally carry an easily concealable handgun. If he wants to own a shotgun that is large, bulky and cant be hidden under his shirt, then thats fine by me. Less of a chance of him bringing it with him, losing his cool and using it. Nothing hypocritical about it.

Now, if you wish to try and twist my comments some more, knock yourself out.  :

[bubba]

ok so an unstable peson would not lose it and kill people with a shotgun wheter it canbe concealed or not. Are you aware that a person with a mental illenss who has been hospitlized is disqualified from ownng a firearm? So you gave him advice to break the law.  good plan. I understand now.  thank you for clearing it up for me. In your own words you told him to get a shotgun then you describe his as mentally unstable at times in a message to me, and tell me how foolish I was to have an opinion about your statement about him not getting a permit.  I would say it is pretty foolish to tell a person who you in your less than professional opinion is unstable at times to get a shotgun.  I bet his family would sleep well with that in the house.

[WNYBuckHunter]

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ok so an unstable peson would not lose it and kill people with a shotgun wheter it canbe concealed or not. Are you aware that a person with a mental illenss who has been hospitlized is disqualified from ownng a firearm? So you gave him advice to break the law.  good plan. I understand now.  thank you for clearing it up for me. In your own words you told him to get a shotgun then you describe his as mentally unstable at times in a message to me, and tell me how foolish I was to have an opinion about your statement about him not getting a permit.  I would say it is pretty foolish to tell a person who you in your less than professional opinion is unstable at times to get a shotgun.  I bet his family would sleep well with that in the house.

Did I ever say he was ever hospitalized for anything? Nope. So how did I advise him to break the law? Again, I never told him to buy a shotgun, just said that a pump shotgun would make a better gun for home protection than a pistol. You arent doing too good at twisting things around, might as well stop trying because you havent improved lol.

[bubba]

I know he can go buy a shotgun or rifle, Ive told him that he would have no problem getting one and even that if he really wanted to have home protection, a nice pump shotgun is the way to go


to me that pretty much says go get one.  That is a direct quote form page two of your posts on here.  I guess though I am not entitled to what my opinion is if it differs from yours

[WNYBuckHunter]

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I know he can go buy a shotgun or rifle, Ive told him that he would have no problem getting one and even that if he really wanted to have home protection, a nice pump shotgun is the way to go


to me that pretty much says go get one.  That is a direct quote form page two of your posts on here.  I guess though I am not entitled to what my opinion is if it differs from yours

In no way does that say go get one. You are perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but I am not going to sit by while you intentionally twist my words into another meaning.

[bubba]

in my opinion it tlls him to go get one. You say in a pm that no one who is on meds for an unstable mental condition should have a permit.  How about those who are on meds for seizures that alter mental status? should their permits be denied too? or how about diabetics aho can have problems and have an altered mental status usually aggressive.  Should they be denied too? I asked before but you sde steppe dit. come on in public forum give your pinion on who and who should not have a permit, even though it is guaranteed in the constitution. Oops I forgot you said you dont believe in that in a pm too. 

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in my opinion it tlls him to go get one. You say in a pm that no one who is on meds for an unstable mental condition should have a permit.  How about those who are on meds for seizures that alter mental status? should their permits be denied too? or how about diabetics aho can have problems and have an altered mental status usually aggressive.  Should they be denied too? I asked before but you sde steppe dit. come on in public forum give your pinion on who and who should not have a permit, even though it is guaranteed in the constitution. Oops I forgot you said you dont believe in that in a pm too.

Yes, in a PM I said noone that is on meds for an unstable mental condition should have a pistol permit, and it mean exactly that. Ive said it before on the old forum, you arent uncovering anything about me. I never said i didnt believe in the constitution, you are a flat out liar.

[bubba]

what about diabetics and people with a seizure disorder? answer that one

[WNYBuckHunter]

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what about diabetics and people with a seizure disorder? answer that one

already did.