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[Larry]

to JCTheGC
Here is the definition of a Cross Bow. This definition is out of the Webster’s Dictionary & Thesaurus copy rite 1999.  Cross – Bow: A weapon consisting chiefly of a bow mounted crosswise near the end of a wooden stock. You should check the sources of your information and not just spout off the NYBH line of propaganda.  I’m one of the bow hunter’s the NYBH claims they represent and I have no intention of ever using a Cross – bow. I do know someone who has MS and I wish some of could walk a week in his shoes or try to walk in his shoes. Maybe your tune would change.  I KNOW I HAVE POSTED THIS BEFORE

[Chevy]

Larry, maybe the truely disabled would have a better shot at getting to use a crossgun during archery season if the crossgun lobby and gun hunters weren't pushing for full and complete inclusion without restrictions as opposed to just pushing to accommodate the disabled. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

Chevy, since I never got an answer when I posed a couple of questions to one of your fellow anti-crossbowers (is that a word? LOL), Ill pose them to you.

Two questions for you. Does everyone that hunts with a rifle or shotgun   hit every deer they take aim at? What makes a crossbow so magical and   user friendly that anyone would be able to pick it up and use it   effectively without a whole lot of practice? You are still shooting an   arrow, at a relatively low speed at a relatively short distance (50ish   yards tops). You still need every single bit of woodsmanship and skill   to get close enough to a deer with a crossbow as you do with a compound.   I just dont see any unfair advantage to them.

[Chevy]

WNYBH, let me see if I can answer your questions:
1. of course people with guns miss shots at dear. relavance?
2. the crossbow is "magical" and can be used with no practice one the scope is sighted in. same as a gun.
3. crossbow shoots a bolt not an arrow.
4. you need little woodmandship to hunt with a crossgun because you don't need to draw on the deer at close quarters.

Hope this clears things up for ya.

[WNYBuckHunter]

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WNYBH, let me see if I can answer your questions:
1. of course people with guns miss shots at dear. relavance?
2. the crossbow is "magical" and can be used with no practice one the scope is sighted in. same as a gun.
3. crossbow shoots a bolt not an arrow.
4. you need little woodmandship to hunt with a crossgun because you don't need to draw on the deer at close quarters.

Hope this clears things up for ya.

So you are contradicting yourself in answer 1 and 2. It stands to reason that if people miss deer with guns and a crossbow is the "same as a gun", then the crossbow cannot be magical and giving that it has a much shorter range than a gun, and shoots a bolt (shorter version of an arrow with a different style of nock and slightly thicker shaft) at a much slower speed than a gun shoots a bullet, it would be far less accurate than a gun. Woodsmanship doesnt have anything to do with drawing a bow. Woodsmanship has everything to do with proper scouting, stand location, being able to get close enough to the deer to allow a good shot, scent control, etc etc.

So yes, you did clear a little up for me, but probably not in the way you intended.

[Chevy]

90% of the people who would use a crossbow in archery season if they were legalized would be perfectly healthy gun hunters. So if these new crossbow hunters had such great woodmanship why don't they participate in the archery season now?

[WNYBuckHunter]

Id be willing to bet that within 2 or 3 years, many of the "slob hunters" that pick up crossbows would end up quitting because they think it will be just as easy (which is completely relative) as gun hunting and they will be sorely disappointed when they discover its not. Either that, or they will work towards gaining the skill set that archery hunting requires. Many people just dont have the time (for a variety of reasons) that it requires to properly and consistently shoot a vertical bow. Now, I have never said that a crossbow isnt somewhat easier to shoot than a vertical bow, but it is most certainly not even close to a gun in that or most other respects. Face it, the only similarity between a crossbow and a gun is that the crossbow has a type of stock. Every other aspect of a crossbow can be directly linked to a compound bow.

[Chevy]

Are you kidding me?  The crossbow is the same as a gun except for the gunpowder. Crossgun has a STOCK, TRIGGER, SCOPE, IS LOADED & LOCKED, POINT AND SHOOT.

[WNYBuckHunter]

No Im not kidding you. There is no sealed cartridge, no barrel, they do not have to use scopes, and anything more powerful than a red-dot is pointless. Lets see what they have in common with bows, shall we?

Limbs? Yep.
Cables/strings? Yep.
Shoots an arrow with a broadhead? Yep.
Uses a mechanical release (trigger)? Yep.
Has a short effective range? Yep.
Can use a scope or red dot sight? Yep.

Sounds like modern archery tackle to me.

BTW, there is no such thing as a crossgun.

[Chevy]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Talk to ya latter. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

HAHA, sounds good bud! 

[bpb]

  I watched it live as it happened and wanted to kick my monitor in after the comment; "The crossbow is the prefered tool of poachers."

The wack job has that ingrained as truth needs to be removed from the sporting community and place in a 24 hour care facility.

That's the kind of question I like to ask for the records on in a meeting.

[sits in trees]

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  I watched it live as it happened and wanted to kick my monitor in after the comment; "The crossbow is the prefered tool of poachers."

The wack job has that ingrained as truth needs to be removed from the sporting community and place in a 24 hour care facility.

That's the kind of question I like to ask for the records on in a meeting.

thats why we need to organize here in NY, when the only guy at the meeting is a clown from the NY bowhunters inc cartel thats what you get. can you imagine a crossbow as a poachers weapon??? ya i'm sure every jacklighting road cruising poacher cant wait to get a crossbow for poaching..

[Chevy]

The poachers use the crossgun to jack deer silently from their vehicles. One guy drives and the other shoots out the side window from inside the vehicle. This is possible because the crossgun is mounted on a stock like a rifle and does not need to be drawn back which makes it able to be shot from inside a car in a sitting position. Stick it outside the window and now you have a nice bench rest. Poachers weapon of choice. Should be illegal during archery season.

[SteveB]

Care to post some actual proof of that claim?
Poachers caught around here generally choose the 22 cal by a huge margin. Never heard of a crossBOW being used at all. And if they did, whether or not they are a legal weapon in any season has no bearing on a poacher using one. Not illegal to own one now. By your logic, 22 rifles should be outlawed as well.

[Chevy]

I have as much proof as you do about the 22 cal Steve. Where is your proof?  Besides the legislature and the DEC agree with me regarding the crossgun as the weapon of choice for poachers. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

Please explain to me why someone would poach deer out the window of a vehicle with a crossbow. 9.5 out of 10 models of crossbow are 17 inches wide or more and would be completely awkward to try and pop out of the window of a vehicle. Not to mention their range is only 40, maybe 50 yards effectively in the open. Show me one news article or proof that a deer has EVER been poached in NY with a crossbow. I could find articles describing deer poaching with rifles, shotguns, running them over with snowmobiles, etc. Your agreement with a bunch of anti hunters calling crossbows a weapon of choice for poachers is unfounded and pretty sickening to hear come out of a fellow sportsmans mouth. Way to help further the cause of the anti-hunter, anti-gun lobby and speed up the demise of our sport.

Oh and youd better check your facts as to who carries the same ridiculous opinion that you do, because its not the DEC or state legislature, its NYB and their minions (however few of them there are).

[SteveB]

WNY - Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply - you will turn very blue ;D

Chevy - you made the claim - back it up let us laugh at the foolishness of it.

[Chevy]

Sour grapes guys??  What is sickening to me is the attempted hijack of the archery season using every lie and name calling in the book. 

[SteveB]

So no proof to your claim?