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DEC certainly did not make these changes to make crossbow hunters feel better, or punish the vertical bow crowd for being stubborn. (I hunt with both, so I'm not playing favorites here). Please don't make it seem like you are in some position to "negotiate" with the vertical crowd. That attitude will definitely not make them warm up to the full inclusion idea, and I'm pretty sure us crossbow supporters wouldn't choose you as our PR representative. First of all, this isn't about crossbow hunter vs vertical bowhunter, this is about DEC really overstepping their bounds. We as hunters should all be on the same team. Perverting the new rules into something tailored to suit you, at the expense of others is disgusting, and really gives a lot of insight into your regard (or lack thereof) for your fellow sportsman. I'm not being anti Christian here, I'm being anti your attitude. You say God puts the venison where he wants it, and guides the arrows / bullets of deserving followers, to strike down divinely distributed game animals. According to you, practice and proficiency with your weapons are of secondary importance. Then, you gloat about your 1 (one) lucky kill, and point to it as confirmation that you're in the Lord's good graces. What happens next time when you gut shoot that deer? You'll blame it on how you committed some sin on the way to the treestand that morning? In reality, I think you have displayed a lack of respect for God's creation by taking such an entitled, careless, & disrepectful attitude. Surely He would want you to practice and become efficient enough to honor his creation by killing it swiftly. I think he would expect you have enough respect to put in some effort, and be able to show that you honor the animals (and in turn, him) by becoming proficient in using your weapons. Seems like you're praying "God, I know I haven't practiced enough, or at this range, but I'm going to take a poke here, hook me up would Ya?" Sounds pretty arrogant to me. Then you have the nerve to come on this site, and tell others they are messing with the fire of hell, wow. "Judge not, lest ye be judged yourself". Way to defend your irresponsible, disrespectful actions by hiding behind the Bible. Do us all a favor. Put in the practice to become proficient, and stop trying to be the mouthpiece of Christians and crossbow hunters. As one of each, I find it highly offensive. Sorry for the off topic rant, but I couldn't help myself.

I was driving down the 990 a few minutes ago and seen a small buck completely out of velvet the first one I've seen this year

Turn left... Turn left... Turn left... Turn left... Holland Speedway last night. I haven't been here in years. Couldn't figure out where the big crowd disappeared to until I found out a 6pck will run you $28.50!

Spent the last couple of days at my daughter's bow hunters safety course. She scored a 98 on the test. Best grade in the class of 55 people. Shes very happy about that, and Im pretty proud. Her gun course is in 2 or 3 weeks.

Here's few pics of few antlers from cams i checked few days ago.

Dug up some pics from my first dove hunting foray in 1998. A friend and I loaded up and headed down towards Reading PA looking for dove. We were pretty much shut out in three days of hunting, never really got into them for some reason. Beautiful country and nice landowners but not many dove. We camped a couple nights and spent one night in the No Tell Motel along Rt 15 so all in all it wasn't a bust. On the way home my buddy suggested we stop just south of the NY border in Tioga County near where we had been deer hunting for years and snoop around. I didn't have any hope but figured why not?? We asked a farmer friend if it was OK and he said "a....you wanna hunt WHAT?" He couldn't believe we wanted to hunt them! Of course we could hunt......"have fun guys, whatever......" We hit 'em pretty good, I got ten that afternoon. I don't recall what my buddy got but it was a similar bag. We had my old girl along with us. She did good after she questioned me on WTH are we hunting these things for? IIRC she'd have been 11 years old. Camping......... Can you tell by the smile on my face how much fun this stuff is? We hunted about 13 years straight and sometimes we'd make multiple trips down. My dog started having some issues in 2011 and we haven't gone back since. I miss it greatly but can't justify doing it without a dog for a few reasons the biggest is the fact that it just isn't fair to the dove (makes perfect sense huh?) in that they are darn near impossible to find under some conditions. Mother Nature colored them in the most beautiful subdued colors I've ever seen. Really difficult to spot in some places that seem like it'd be a piece of cake! Jenny is 12 and I don't know if we'll get another after she's gone but one thing I can say it if we pass dove hunting in NYS I guarantee I'll be sporting another lab. GUARANTEED From 2006 I think.......

Had to run to my rental in Corning, tenant moved out. Former tenant left the place spotless!! Person coming in to see it falls in love with the place and gives me cash for first month and security deposit. (that doesn't suck) Headed to my brother in laws for dinner and his wife calls out the bucks are out in the field. We sit on his porch and glass 7 deer three bucks 4 doe. 1 buck was a 140+ deer. Beautiful 10 point that had it all... along with a big body. They all were eating apples.. It was a good weekend!!

Just something different in an effort to keep the board active with somewhat hunting related topics; Decided to cut up some old Whitetail antlers from various years sitting around for pen parts. I buy the actual metal parts as a kit, these are twist style and take a standard ink refill. A few disasters here and there for some losses, can be a difficult media to work with. They stink something aweful when sanding, they get a coat of super glue and then resanded for finish, everyone is unique. I sometimes make these for clients out of wood from chunks we remove during renovations; doing some Chestnut from trees that started growing in the mid 1700's next.....house was framed in 1817 best we can tell.

Damn man....you'd have to have a designated driver and go there half in the bag to enjoy the show! I've heard Lancaster ain't much better these days. Too bad as I have fond memories of the circle tracks.

Summer projects, let's see... Buy new layout blind: check pattern shotgun: check camo paint shotgun barrel: check It's all about priorities.

Hunters have a saint:Hubert, Patron Saint of Hunters By ©Mitch Ballard Jagermeister Label. Jagermeister label showing stag with cross suspended between antlers. Some historical scholars estimate the year was 705 A.D. while others claim it was 656. Regardless, St. Hubert, the Patron Saint of Hunters was born in the European city of Maastricht of French nationality. All the scholars agree Hubert died at Fura (the modern city of Tervueren) in the province of Brabant on May 30, 727 A.D. Hubert was the oldest son of Bertrand, Duke of Aquintaine and grandson of Charibert, King of Toulouse - a descendant of The Great Pharamond. Hubert was reportedly a great lover of pleasure and his chief passion was the chase, to which he devoted nearly all his time. According to the legend, Hubert was afield the morning of Good Friday (while the faithful were crowding into church) and he was participating in the chase of a deer on horseback with his famous hounds. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: As he was pursuing a magnificent stag, and in a clearing in the forest, the animal stopped and turned. Hubert was astounded at perceiving a crucifix suspended between its antlers, while he heard a voice from the figure of Christ say, "Hubert, unless you turn to the Lord, and lead a holy life, you shall quickly fall into the abyss of Hell!" Hubert dismounted immediately from his horse, fell prostrate on the ground and asked, "Lord, what would you have me do?" He immediately received the reply, "Go and seek Lambert and he will instruct you." At the time, Lambert was the Bishop of Maastricht, who kindly received Hubert and became his spiritual advisor. Complicating matters even further, Hubert lost his wife during the childbirth of their first son shortly after his vision in the woods. Hubert decided to renounce all his honors, titles and military rank. Plus he relinquished his birthright as heir to the Duchy of Aquintaine, giving it to his younger brother Eudon, whom he also made the godfather of his infant son, Floribert. Another version of the legend reports Lambert taught Hubert self discipline by forcing him to live alone as a hermit in the Ardennes (the Great French Forest) for a while. After distributing all his wealth among the poor, Hubert entered upon his studies for the priesthood and was soon ordained. Shortly afterward he became one of Lambert's chief associates in the administration of his Diocese. Upon the advice of Lambert, Hubert made a pilgrimage to Rome and during his absence, Lambert was assassinated, but that's another story in itself. At the same hour as the Pope was giving an audience to Hubert, the Pope was distracted by a vision of Lambert's murder and on the spot he appointed Hubert as the new Bishop, replacing Lambert. Hubert returned to become the 31st Bishop of Maastricht (and the first Bishop of Liege) and was eventually described as the "Apostle of the Ardennes." According to the legend, idolatry still lingered in the Ardennes Forest and "risking his life, Hubert penetrated the remote lurking places of paganism in his pursuit of souls and finally brought about the abolishment of the worship of idols in his neighborhood." Eventually, Hubert went to dedicate a new church but had another vision, this one of his impending death. He continued anyway, preaching a valedictory sermon and fell sick almost immediately. Within six days, Hubert died while repeating The Lord's Prayer. The Roman Catholic Church has designated his feast day as November 3, appropriately enough since the rut is usually at or near its peak by then. Hubert reportedly also worked several miracles during his life by exorcising those possessed by demons and curing a case of rabies after making the sign of the cross over the victim. Hubert is also the patron saint for archers, forest workers, furriers and trappers, hunters and huntsmen as well as hunting as a profession. He is also the patron saint for mathematicians, machinists, precision instrument makers and smelters along with those stricken with hydrophobia (rabies) and dogs. In a related topic, bloodhounds (which are well known for their scenting ability and commonly acknowledged as ancestors of many different hunting dog breeds) reportedly originated from a cross between the black hounds of St. Hubert and the white hounds of the House of Talbot - both of which are from the Ardennes. Records from the House of Talbot provide further credence to this theory and tradition indicates many bloodhounds in Europe are still known and registered as the "Ohien de St. Hubert." Hubert's representation is a stag bearing a cross or crucifix between its antlers: Hence the Master Hunter's (or Jagermeister's) Badge of Honor. Jagermeister Bottle.In fact the bottle cap on an imported bottle of Jagermeister herbal liqueur is a duplication of the Master Hunter's badge. The bottle's label also has the same representation of a stag with a shining cross, suspended between the antlers, as the brand's logo. Surrounding the label is a German phrase, which loosely translated means: "This is the hunter's badge of honor, which he protects and wears as his shield, to guard, while in the fine and honorable profession of hunting; which also honors the Creator and his creations." Literally translated, Jagermeister means Master Hunter in the German language. The term is applied to those who have rightfully earned the respect of their peers and regular citizens as well. German heritage requires much more of hunters than simply passing an eight-hour safety course before being issued a license. In that country it is a privilege to go afield with a firearm and the sport requires many seasons of apprenticeship. Following four years of apprenticeship a hunter is then allowed to take the exam for Jagermeister certification. This distinct traditional heritage is from the country that also brought us the legend of Bambi. You'll recall the bad guys in the original Bambi story were "poachers," not hunters. There is no anti-hunting social agenda in Germany since the sport is highly regulated and steeped in tradition. Hunters are welcomed everywhere. German hunters also participate in extensive rituals following the death of a big game animal taken while hunting, along with other cultural heritages including a toast to the fallen animal itself. Caveman instincts bond all hunters when they're in the field - no matter what modern civilization has done to each person. Quite possibly those centuries-old traditions are what has evolved into the North American big game hunter's need to participate in some form of ceremony following the kill. Maybe they are unsure of just where or how it started, but many hunters (including Native Americans) repeat a prayer, or chant, or simply express their joy with a shout of excitement after the shot is confirmed and the animal is down. Anything from smearing the blood of a freshly killed deer on your face (similar to war paint) to saying a brief prayer of thanks to loud whoops, or simply firm handshakes all around pretty much describe the range of activities surrounding a freshly killed deer or elk here in America. It certainly is a rite of passage for a youngster to take their first big game animal and it's an experience they'll never forget. Regardless, giving thanks to the dead animal, and to God, for the resulting nourishment must be what it's all about. Respect for the fallen, and seeking a blessing for the meat, and honoring the death of one of God's creatures must be the catalyst for these traditions. Of course tagging fresh venison is the object, but preparing for and participating in the hunt is almost as rewarding. Activities surrounding the hunt as well as the camaraderie involved with the "tribe" provide untold pleasure as it creates lasting memories. It is very inappropriate to desecrate, actually violating the sacredness, of any mounted animal with sunglasses, hats, or cigarettes shoved into a taxidermist's work of art. Humoring people who've never participated in the honor of taking a wild game animal's life is disgusting. Domesticated animals provide suitable protein but they don't enjoy the freedom of the wildness experienced by game animals during their lives in the forests and fields. Our teeth and stomachs convert that deer's living energy into our own and we owe it much deserved respect. So, if you wish, say a prayer of thanksgiving or ask a blessing of St. Hubert when you kill your next deer or elk; just remember to honor the death of the wild animal and utilize the meat with respect. It died so that you might live. Personal Cross Gallery 2 Cross Subject Gallery 2 Subject Gallery Home Credits: Hubert, Patron Saint of Hunters - Written by © Mitch Ballard; contributing writer for ESPN2's outdoor television program, "NaturalGear's Wildlife Quest." Used by permission of Mitch Ballard. Article may not be copied or reproduced without prior written permission of the author. Wildlife Quest Productions, Inc. P.O. Box 470684 Tulsa, OK 74147 http://www.wildlifequest.tv/ Jagermeister label and bottle photographs by Eric Shindelbower. Thanks goes to Ben Minor for his assistance; without his help this web page would not have been possible. Jagermeister banner. Background pattern courtesy of © Web page design and content - Eric Shindelbower

Perhaps Mr Irving forgot this passage from the Bible. Isaac said, "Behold now, I am old and I do not know the day of my death. 3"Now then, please take your gear, your quiver and your bow, and go out to the field and hunt game for me; 4and prepare a savory dish for me such as I love, and bring it to me that I may eat, so that my soul may bless you before I die."…

My license is always hooked to my backpack so I can be versatile with whatever outerwear the weather requires. I tag my deer using a ziptie. Punch a hole in the ear, roll up the tag and stuff it in the ear canal.

Black kid kills white cop and you hear about it a day or two- White cop kills black kid and its all out warfare burning cars and riot's in the streets. Go Figure.

Picked him up today.

I checked mine this afternoon and most of the pictures on it were of bucks. These three are possibly some of the biggest bucks I've ever had on camera. One evening I was hunting woodchucks and they came out together in the hay field, I just always assumed the bigger deer were in someone else's woods. It's nice to know they are walking around mine. I'm in 9K/town of Napoli.

My daughter into her dorm at SJU. What a long day. ...... getting everything in there, unboxing, setting up and finally cleaning up. Never thought an 18yo girl could have so much stuff. We are headed back tomorrow for family events and then we say good bye until Mid October when we see her again. Finally the house will be a bit more sane and quiet. - Deerthug

Not too much beats collecting money and watching nice bucks, while someone feeds you! I need to figure out how to accomplish that! Good deal!

^ My fault Larry. I got all worked up and went off on a tangent. Carry on

SOOO many changes, not sure I can list them all, but here goes: 1) 40 years ago, deer were on the rebound. They were never seen in suburban areas, only on farms or in the big woods. Now, they seem to be overpopulated in high human population areas. 2). Everyone small game hunted. Archery, turkey hunting, and waterfowl, and muzzleloaders were thought of as novelties. 3). It was an odd day when you DIDN'T hear pheasants cackling in the background. 4). VERY few women hunted 5). Very few people hunted from a treestand, and if they did, it was a permanent wood stand built by hand (I DO remember a guy who rigged a car bucket seat to a tree). 6). Clothes were not very warm 40 years ago, boots were worse. Everyone wore Woolrich during deer season. 7). Competition was nowhere as fierce as it is today, not only for hunting land, but "antler envy" also.

We used to go just about every weekend. Not too many tracks in the northeast we haven't been to at least once.

Although those prices are high, I love that track! The place is clean and well organized. The pool in turn one was a cool sight - never seen one at a race track before.

You're unbelievable. Don't call me out on faith, or say I need to get right with the Lord. If you knew me, you would know that I'm an alcoholic with 2.5 years sober (by the way, I attribute my sobriety to a 12 step program I'm involved in, God, & MY OWN HARD WORK) & maybe you wouldn't assume I go to "wild" parties. You also would know that I do carry a small bible in my pack, & I regularly read it while in the woods. Your failure to take the necessary steps to be an ethical hunter, is pure laziness and arrogance, not faith. Don't pretend it's anything else.

Actually I believe you can replace them at a small fee

Love long brow tines! That is a great buck right there! And he's probably just three and a half. Very good genetics, and an awesome deer! He wouldn't get a pass from me. Good luck!

Nice......... Hopefully he doesn't snap them off rubbing or wrestling with some up and comer..........

Exactly... when given lemons, make lemonade.

Mine is not coming along too well...Or rather, THE MERMAID'S list is not coming along too well... She reminded me again this morning of all the stuff she wanted to get done this summer that HASN'T happened... And here I am, ready to shift gears into HUNTING mode....<<SIGH>>.....

Skillet - wolc123 is probably the the worst person that those seeking full inclusion would want as an advocate/supporter. I think he may actually be an anti cross bower who posts to hurt the push for inclusion.

Found myself shed hunting again on some free time Friday while scouting. I don't know if it's" ants in the pants" for the coming deer season or something telling me more are still out there.

Who knows? ...... Maybe they have done me a favor with their stupidity. Maybe this year I will have those two weeks to get those last minute chores done around the house and get a chance to do a bit of squirrel hunting for a change.

Well DEC tells you to put it visibly in the center of your back, but i think its funny they make you pay for these back tags and then you have to ruin your gear (expensive waterproof jacket) by punching holes through it ? its also a whole lot easier to put in you pocket so when a DEC Officer asks you for your licence you don't have to take your jacket off to get out of the Back Tag.

Okay, it's the law. I get it! Displaying a back tag is so very antiquated and useless on so many levels. Hopefully NYS catches up with the other states that have already transitioned to a license to be carried on your person & done away with the back tag requirement.

I keep the deer tags separate from my back tag. I have pen and zip ties in Baggie with the deer tags

I found a field full of geese this morning that I can hunt, I'll be there Tuesday!

NFA watch the airsoft challage vid OMG LOL ..

LOL im a scriber to jeff's vids ,, had a good laugh watch them all ,.. i need a GF like her Paula hehehe

I can't take my girlfriend hunting. My wife still won't let me date.

I don't wear my tags on my own private property. It's unlikely I'll forget who I am and need to take my jacket off to take a look. I keep it in a breast pocket mostly. As Philo says, I don't feel the need to poke holes in my hunting gear.

Same here, in both cases. I'm always wearing the pack when I'm moving, and no way am I going to intentionally poke holes through my rain gear.

TEXAS DEPUTY EXECUTED DAYS AFTER BLACK RADICAL GROUP CALLS FOR KILLING COPS. Of course, the group in question will not face any accountability or official censure. Can you imagine if a Christian Home-school group said the same thing? Swat teams would be sent in. http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/28/texas-deputy-executed-days-after-black-radical-group-calls-for-killing-cops/

Knowing right from wrong is innate. The liberal education system has deliberately set out to muddy the waters, teach wrong as right and generally confuse and discombobulate folk. Political correctness also seeks to make sure people are perpetually outraged and angry about something or other.

Sure is LD. We had our neighbor's son help out with the heavy stuff and we only had to go up 4 floors. Still was tough and we had two vehicles filled to the gills. Although shes only 40 mins to 1 hr away this will be good for the family ...

Anyone who truly is interested in see the deer population reduced should be absolutely livid that the attempt to do so is being squandered on the most ineffective season available with no similar acts happening during the gun season. It is hard to take this as a serious population reduction activity when it is relying only on bowhunters and muzzleloader hunters for handling the task.

I headed down to the farms to swap out trail cam cards last night. I got some pretty good videos and pics. I also got some good pics of the plots, which are doing well. First, here is our plot planted with DeerAg Double Beam Brassica mix... Next, here is the plot I put a generic Rape, PTT, Sugar Beet mix in with fertilizer... Last, here is the plot I put the same generic Rape, PTT mix in (minus the Sugar Beets) without fertilizer... I put the two plots in, one with and one without fertilizer, to show my buddy that we should be using fertilizer, and exactly what the benefit is. He just doesnt like using fertilizer for whatever reason. Here are a couple of pics of a 2 year old buck I have named Yardstick. I really really want to see him make it, he has such great potential to be a really nice, wide buck similar to the one I used to call Hayrake.

I have read and reread many of his books, especially "Aging and Judging Trophy Whitetails" and his great book, "Solving the Mysteries of Deer Movement" where he validates the Full Moon as setting the timing of the rut. Anyone interested in understanding whitetails should buy it and learn how one of the most respected Whitetail researchers in the country explains how the light from the full moon affects deer movement. Get the book on Amazon for about $38.00. Here is a quote from it, "the significance of the harvest moon is far greater than a celebration. It marks the beginning of the time when nights are longer than days. Because deer are short day breeders, this (sic. his underling) is the cue they need in temperate regions to time breeding. Let's again review how the brain, using the third eye or the pineal gland, measures day length..." and, "A deer "wants" to breed within a certain window of time, and tries to synchronize the rut on the appearance of the Hunters Moon (sic first full moon in October.)" Dr. Kroll is now in charge of the Minnesota deer program, appointed by Gov. Scott Walker, taking the ultimate authority away from the DNR there after the catastrophic decline in deer numbers there. And did you know that Wayne Laroche, the originator of the Charlie Alshiemer's moon theory and long time head of the Vermont DNR has now recently been appointed to run Pa.'s Bureau of Wildlife Management? So not all Wildlife managers look down on the moon theory, actually two of the most prominent in the country espouse it. 2015: https://www.facebook.com/Oak.Duke.whitetail.page/posts/352399868299206 2014: http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/article/20140420/Sports/140429964 2013: http://www.crookstontimes.com/article/201 2012: http://www.wellsvilledaily.com/article/20120126/NEWS/301269998 2009: http://abington.wickedlocal.com/article/20090731/News/307319959 2008: http://www.leavenworthtimes.com/article/20080919/NEWS/309199808 You are welcome!

Southern zone muzzle loader season always starts the monday after gun season ends and then muzzle loader season is over the following tuesday . Its always 9 days long

pot....kettle....

So then what about a Remington 700? They are the same as the M24, M40 and a few others. BTW, there is no civilian version of the M4. Its a Class II weapon, so unless you go through the lisencing and other hoops to own automatics and SBRs, you arent gonna get one. Bullpups are not a particular rifle, its a style of stock and/or action combo. You really should do just a little looking into things before you start flinging poo on the wall.