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Boy these posts sure bring back a lot of memories. "The look" LOL - you knew when you were going to "get it". Not leaving the table until your plate was cleaned and watching your brother have to go to the bathroom with a chipmunk cheek full of peas and not smart enough to spit them in the toilet and flush, but instead spit them in the waste basket - boy did he "get it". It wasnt all pro-hunting, guns, and outdoors back then though. Growing up in a suburb outside of Rochester, I remeber back in the early 70's when my dad and his buddies shot 3 bears in the Adirondacks and hung them in a tree in our front yard when they returned. People would stop and admire them. However, one of my teachers at school hated hunting and had an "attitude" towards me and my brothers and sister because my father hunted. She used to make remarks about it in front of the class to try and embarass us. I certainly didn't care too much for her and most of my friend's fathers hunted, so it didn't matter to me what she thought. Here's something I found to put some things in perspective: SCHOOL 1957 VS 2013 These would be funny if they weren’t so true!!!!!! From: You should know that by today's standards none of us was supposed to ever make it. HIGH SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2013 Scenario 1: Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.. 1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack. 2013 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers. Scenario 2: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school. 1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies. 2013 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it. Scenario 3: Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students. 1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again. 2013 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability. Scenario 4: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt. 1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.. 2013 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse, Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist. Scenario 5: Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school. 1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with a friend who also has a headache. 2013 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons. Scenario 6: Pedro fails high school English. 1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college. 2013 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English. Scenario 7: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed. 1957 - Ants die. 2013 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents - and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. Scenario 8: Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him. 1957 -In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing. 2013 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy. Merry Christmas everyone! Share some "back then" stories with you kids this Christmas.

No, I don't even take head shots with a gun. That brain cavity is exceptionally tiny. There also is a lot of non-vital area on a deer's head. I have seen the results of a failed head shot, and it's not a pretty sight. One gun season, I saw a deer running through the woods with its lower jaw swinging like a slab of meat. I was unable to get a shot at it, but I guarantee that if somebody else didn't get that animal, it definitely died one ugly death through slow starvation and lack of water. No wounded animal is something that we want to see, but there are some shots that are simply a recipe for ensuring the slowest, most agonizing death that we can inflict on an animal. By the way, I have the same feelings about neck shots. That's another one that has a whole lot of area that is not "quick and humane kill areas. These kinds of tricky areas are ugly choices for guns, which makes them 10 times uglier for an arrow.

You're right, there has been a heck of a change in attitudes over the years. back when I went to high school, opening day of deer season was an acceptable excuse for absence.

BUCKANDAQUARTER. When I got my first rifle, army surplus, I walked into a Dept. Store, took the gun I wanted from a barrel and bought it for $28. Dept. stores, and some hardware stores had guns. My wife's high school had a rifle team(remember this was on LI), so imagine the changes. I had a daisy bb gun and used to walk down my block and shoot grasshoppers, and no one called the cops even if they didn't like it. But ya know there were many things we wouldn't want.. black and white tv with with 7 then down to 6 channels, no air conditioners, you didn't hop on a plane and head to great vacations, etc. BUT I sure liked the mentality better and really that was my intent in the first post. Shawn,.. I've seen that before.. "Don't talk about it in front of the kids."..

4 minutes of my life I will never get back

My favorite buck off all-time, "Little Freak Nasty" (LFN for short) finally stopped by my cams for a few pics. I just put them back out last week to try to inventory the remaining buck herd on the farm. I was very surprised to see this guy. True to form, his is all busted up again and his droptine is gone too. Oh well, can't wait to see him next year as a five year old!!!

I just found an old book, in a box, that I got as a kid. It's a child's book, it has drawings, but no photos and from around 1951. On the 1st page it says that it's written for children. It starts out with a kid deer hunting with his father and the father shoots a buck, it includes the son preparing leather for snares and shows him setting a trap. It tells what he trapped and in one of the drawings the kid is carrying dead small game, There is a picture(drawing) of the father carrying the dead buck and then hanging it in a tree. I loved the book. Imagine if now you gave that book to a kid, after all it states that it is a child's book, and he brought it to school...I wonder what the teacher would say. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that they'd like that book. I think times have changed. I'm passing the book down thru a relative on Christmas.

Elmo.. I can understand that.. I never heard it before a couple of days ago and now it keeps going around in my head, and the image of a dancing fox can wake me up at night..

political correctness, lawyers, downfall of america for sure, they make new laws every year but do we need them? parents can disapline your own kids, i remember strangers telling us to stop when we were doing things bad, seems like the single parent family started at the same time the rest of the pc took hold.... family values and wait till your father gets home were what ran the world i grew up in.... i feel bad kids cant experiance life riding a bike without a helmet, yes i wiped out and did jumps and so did everyone else i knew, skun knees and road rash were expected. i dont know how or why laws start or actually pass, maybe we just need a whole new government..... one based on common sence...

NOT a fan but I have done it once at 25 yards on a wounded buck and it was all I had. Didn't want to risk having it get up after the 1/4 mile track. It was bedded and looking away with bad wind and crunchy leaves. Once it is wounded I will take about anything that is offered as a target.

political correctness sure does suck

I never did but I knew if I lipped off to an elder (other than my parents) and they took action like a slap, a spank or a soap in the mouth action My parents would take action. Not today's action of calling the cops but calling the one I mouthed off too and apologizing and then the real punishment would start for me. I once was just with two guys that egged the house of the neighborhood grumpy old man. You know the kind that thought he owned the street in front of his house. Come out yelling anytime kids stopped in front of his house type.. I never threw an egg. I was there. I was in 3rd grade. the other to kids' parents did nothing to them when we were caught. My parents made me clean the house and mow the guys lawn for the entire season once a week. Taught me a good lesson in how being associated with the wrong people can effect you.

The problem a lot of times is that by the time you realize that you want to hear them, the people who can relate them are gone.

Greybeard, I can foward you the email if you'd like. One of the important things I remember is "respect your elders". I've learned a tremendous amount of info over the years by listening to my elders whether it be stories or advice. This post has inspired me to start a family tradition this year with each family member telling a childhood story. It will be fun (hopefully) to hear what the kids come up with.

I was born in 65. I remember many of the same sayings and situations you guys are talking about. I had very little issue with the "clean your plate" rule until it came to beets and broccoli. I can remember gagging to get it down so I didn't have to sit until it was gone. Like Greybreard said we have had many many advances and I too take advantage of soooo many of them. They have made our lives "better" What they have done though is remove the newer generations from what used to be or even what it actually takes to do things like produce a product. A steak is something on a foam tray. How many could plant a garden. Besides my Father and Uncles Boy Scouts was a huge contributor to a lot of kids back then. I lived in a small town and the Troop I was in was very very active. We camped at least once every other month all year long. rain, snow or shine. Fire making, survival, use of firearms and shooting, archery, shelter building, fire starting, primitive trap building. Cooking, How to purify or sanitize water. It wasn't in a Prepper type of mentality but it was skills that used to be needed and were being passed down even though it probably wouldn't be needed. It taught independence as well as working in a group. Probably the biggest skill I still use all the time today is actual knot tying. amazing sometimes just watching someone at Lowes trying to put something on the top of their car. Good thing they invented ratchet straps...lol. One of the first things I did when I ran home from school was to grab the shotgun and hit the back woods for grouse squirrel and rabbit. Everyone knew each other around you and you could go anywhere. Everything seemed more connected back then.

i'd lime the heck out of it before planting any clover... lots and lots of lime....white is preferred i prefer wi clover it does draw better than any other.

You watched the whole thing?

A stack of old Liberal gym teachers.

yeah, we always asked permission though to be respectful. As for getting hurt, landowners are NOT responsible if someone gets hurt hunting on their property and can NOT be sued unless the landowner intentionally created hazardous conditions. The majority of both hunters and landowners don't understand/believe this but it's the truth. Edit: As long as the hunters did NOT pay for access

Born in the mid-50's and raised in small-towns in NW PA. Had a bb gun when I was 5. Only allowed to shot it in my Dads presence for a long time though. Then I was allowed to setup a box filled with newspaper and target practice with it in the basement. From there, after the safety rules were beaten into my head (figuratively of course), I was allowed to take it outside to "hunt" salamanders, frogs, etc. Then onto the .22's etc. Guns were a part of life in that area back then, and still are to a large extent in that area even today. They tried keeping the schools open on opening day one year, no one showed up so they gave up. They're still closed opening day. It was common to leave the house after breakfast, meet up with friends and not show back up at the house until lunch or dinner time. No one worried and if you needed anything, you could go to the door of any house for help. "If you can't find something to do, I can find you something" were common words out of Mothers mouths back then. Very effective because you knew that they weren't an idle threat. When parents spoke back then, they meant it. They generally spoke once and if "whatever" wasn't heeded by the youngin's, there WERE immediate consequences, none of this "if I have to tell you once more"... there was only once period. Sass back or say "no"? Unheard of. I remember when I was about 15 I was going to assert my manhood and said "no" to my Father. The next thing I remember was picking myself up from the corner. Never did that again and turn him in? Never even considered it. He knew where I slept! lol - No worse for the wear though. You had chores to do and they'd just better be done without being told. We were allowed to watch 1 hour of tv a day, period. Kids were the remote control: "go outside and turn the antenna and stop when I tell you". Curfew was: "be home when the streetlights come on". Dinner was eaten by the whole family at the same time and at the same table, no exceptions. Good times back then and I wouldn't trade them for anything. A lot of that attitude still does exist but you have to get away from the cities and into rural America to find it.

It wasnt that it was unpalatable, but one whole side was atrophied, and there wasnt much there.

It had to be still fairly warm for the skin to "leave" that easily which is probably the main factor. At least that's my guess.

When I was in grade school in the 80's my teachers knew my dad was a deer hunter and they expected to get fresh venison if my dad got something. It's really sad how things have changed in this country. The attempt to be "politically correct" has made common sense a thing of the past. Unfortunately it's only going to get worse with this so called president and his liberal/socialist buddies who rule the roost right now.

shawn all that you do you must be getting that fast

The teacher would confiscate it and send them to the principals office...probably escorted by a school security officer

I grew up in a suburban town outside of Buffalo. In eigth grade, I brought my compound bow to school for a show and tell hunting broadheads and all. I was able to walk into school with the bow in plain sight and no questions were asked. Me and my friends used to trap and only had our bikes for transportation. We used to ride down Main Street with red and gray fox as well as coon slung over our shoulders on our bikes and never had any issues. This wasn't that long ago, 1989-1990. Today, I think your parents would get a visit from the police

It's purpose was explained to me during my bowhunting safety certification.

BUCKANDQUARTER.. I was born in NYC, but lived most of my life on LI. My city relatives would come to the country to see us...You cannot imagine how much LI has changed. I have a very good life, I still love the Island And .L.I. still has a lot for me, but it's changed unbelievably. It's too much to list. Finding that book just got me to thinking of the changing attitudes toward hunting and guns, and other things From reading your post I see that even up there the changes are disturbing too. Reading that you are raising your kids "old school" is uplifting. I was happy to read that... good luck

Finding that book today and looking through it just made me think about the way we have changed. I doubt that I'd find that book in the children's section of the library, or book store today. I always hated when the over 65 crowd told me how much better it was "back then". There are an awful lot of advances that have contributed greatly to a better way of living, and I sure take advantage of them., and I don't want to go backwards. However, I did like some of the attitudes about certain things better a few years back.

A buck will breed regardless of the pressure if there is a receptive doe... the problem is actually with the increased pressure on the doe population which could keeps the does from traveling as much.. if she doesn't travel, he doesn't travel.. a bucks instinct to breed far out weighs his fear of man... a does instinct to breed does not.

Pav2704.. It's easy, but can be inconvenient because there can be lines to check in and to get spots, and you may get to the window and find that the spot you wanted was taken. There are RULES and you have to know them, they are probably on line(I have old maps with the rules, but I think you get the maps on line now).. The rules include things like.. Weekends you have to get reservation, it's closed on a couple of holidays, you must hunt in the area where you park, when you check in before 8:30am you hopefully get your spot because you can not go to another spot until after 8:30 Before Nov. 1st and after Dec. 31st you don't check in, but now you got some new rules, and special (free) permits.. etc. ..( there are more rules), ... Rules can change so always keep current..Learn the rules, and don't just depend on someones(like mine) interpretation I assume that you want to bow hunt for deer, I haven't bow hunted there in over 20 years so someone else can fill you in on current rules... I THINK, that here used to be a system for letting bow hunters in before small game hunters. I don' t know if they still do that..(deer hunters get all the breaks.. just kidding) There are some good deer spots. Firearm(shotgun) season for deer is a whole different ball game..I never got involved in it.. There are other coops on Long Island where you do not have to check in. When you read the above posts I think you'll get the idea of what guys think is bad, and good. As far as private land, as you know it just depends on the spot... Again, I assume you are thinking only for deer. The coop works for me, I guess it's a mind set..I've been hunting there for a lot of years..

This wasn't an actual harness , it was supposed to be used with a harness . It was a self contained unit that straps to the tree and then the harness lead connects to it . I was going through the receipts from xmas shopping and the price was 30 not 20 , the tag on the box was originally marked 70. Still a good deal i thought .

30gr is a relatively light load for yotes. I prefer 40gr. JHP's. There's no doubt that a mag will kill a yote at further ranges, but are you going to find it? Headshot,probably. A bodyshot will most likely create for you an all day tracking job. Coyotes are incredibly tough and their fur soaks up blood like a sponge. Now couple that with an entry wound no bigger than a BIC pen(probably no exit hole) and the ability to cover ground very fast. You'd just better have snow to track it! Knowing your guns' abilities is just a smart move and will probably save you from some heart/headaches. You can "poke & hope" if you choose to.

MY HSS was made just for me...LOL .........for every thing is labeled in wht...tree strap...climbing...Drag/relief....I keep my relief strap hooked to the vest and then stuffed into one of the pockets

Still one of my favorites

I'm sure there are many here that share your sentiment...

I know this is a forum and there are plenty of debates on here, but you sound like a real douchebag sir

rant without cursing, read the rules. its not permitted here...

Sweet- but I think cheetahs could have got the job done a lot quicker.

So let me understand this, a born again preacher from the Deep South is against homosexual behavior and some people are surprised by this ?

Lol what was racists about that? He only said he never saw mistreatment. Come on man. It's just a pile on and the one article is written by Jamelle lol. And he/she makes their own assumption of what he meant. Hilarious

Nothing wrong with the picture but the guy making the comment is an idiot.

My first deer with a muzzleloader. Got him on 12/12/13.

Thanks Elmo! Ended up buying the HD 7" for $137+ tax at BJ's. Only thing is it's 8GB. She change her mind, said she wanted 16GB. today. Opps oh well, Santa already wrapped and packed it. Now I find out Best Buy has it for same, with a $20 gift card. Might be going back after all. Wrapping paper's cheap, LOL.

These pics arent going to affect the way an anti views hunters or hunting, and neither will a cleaned up picture of a dead deer.

LOL,, that was great !!!

I think it's a good idea but maybe the reason it's not in NY has to do with majority of the hunters being weekends warriors...I just feel there are more everyday of the season hunters in other states than here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Did you tell Mr. Dillon that Chester won't be reporting for deputy duty tomorrow..?

Remington 870 Wingmaster, I have 3 of them.

put the coke can there for a size reference