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yesterday i just gave this a lot of thought while casting for some strippers. I realized I have more friends on here then i thought i did to the ones who have noting but negative things to say go screw your self Thanks for help guys i just need to get a few things strate so i'm going to see some doc's this moring and i'll be back later but i want to leave you all with a smile double post

Served with blue cheese and wing sauce.

In my FD that phase means a woman, child or say city official has entered the firehouse so watch your language and so,forth. Today we had a man on the roof who broke his leg, thought you may enjoy these pics. Of getting him off the roof . He was pretty brave and just trusted us .

Marshall received and loves his boxcall, though it sounds like the dogs don't like him practicing! Thanks again!

I'm done. Second tag filled. I had one of those crazy turkey hunting mornings this morning and was lucky enough to kill the boss tom. Lucky, (I caught wind of this bird's location in an off hand conversation with a non-hunting friend of a friend.) But now I can't hunt. Turkey season is over. What a bummer... unless I get a Pa. license. But I am still pissed at Pa. over its deer mis-management philosophy. But I might have to break down.

four foot fence im all for it 10 foot fence not so much

Well. Long story. Lol. Started at Plan A, got to Plan F before I was done. Nothing close to me on the roost. Finally found 2 Long Beards in a bowl but boy were they call shy. Plan E I set up across a field from them, Avian X decoy out. They gobbled but never moved. Swung all the way around them, got below them about 100 yards. Set up in the rain. They still wouldn't leave that bowl. Saw 6 jakes across a road, probably 600 yds away. They gobbled at me every time. Sure enough they cross a road and walk right to me. Unreal! These were the 23 Jakes I've called into gun range this year. I usually dont shoot them so I let them go. Well don't they see something and start alarm putting as they head right for the LB's!!!! WTF!!! Everything goes quiet. I call. Nothing. Now I'm ticked! I text Sandra Pirog saying "I'm shooting the next Jake twice!!!!" Lol. I call. Nothing. I look to my left and at a dead run to me here comes the 2 LB's, white heads, beards swinging. I'm left handed. My muzzle is 180 degrees from them. I wait till they get 20 yards and start yelping as I swing my gun. The two birds split, one goes to the right. Red dot finds him at 42 yds and BOOM! Game over!!!! 1 1/8" spurs 10 1/2" beard. Scale says 18lbs but felt heavier. Good 3 year old!

Scouted two nice toms for three weekends.Opening day he gave the slip, and again this past Saturday. But not Sunday morning. 20lb. and a 9" beard. Worked hard for this shot in the rain. Definitely a great experience.

Picture didn't attach. This is my second favorite part about Turkey hunting.

You guys are right. Hard to beat the fly hatch on the Genny right now...primed for the Sulphur duns...and I have tied into some of my best trout in this hatch, and right after when the Caddis are on the water. A lot of "yoots" need mentoring...and I could maybe call in tom for a buddy...but there are morels out there...and I have to find them! Can't keep me out of the woods for long!

Brian Pragle will do a good job with a dip. Personal service. Kolorfusion and other coatings would have to be done elsewhere. But a dip... Go to Brian. He is maybe five minutes off of the Dansville exits on 390. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And I wasn't looking. . After picture my friend opened it then threw it. Said I could poisoned.

Ended up having a great hunt this morning, even though it got off to a rough start. I was supposed to take a guy from work who is just starting hunting, this would have been his first time out. He wasn't where we were supposed to meet at 4:00, I gave him 10 minutes but after getting no response when I called and texted I decided he must have overslept so I headed out. I found out later he was running 15 minutes behind and had left his phone at home... oh well, that was lesson one I guess. Since I didn't have anyone with me I decided to go back after a bird I've been on several times this season, but when I got near his roost it was dead silence. No amount of hooting could draw a response so I decided to walk back to the car and go where I was planning to take the other guy after all. When I got over there it was already shooting light, and I still needed to cross about half a mile of open fields to get to the woods. By the time I got out there I was pretty sure the birds would be on the ground, and at first I wasn't getting any response to any of my calling. I entered the block of woods from the north along a woods road that divides the block into an east and west side. The west side is bordered on the north by a beaver swamp that runs right up to the woods road I was walking on. I was alternating between crow calls and yelps on my trumpet and when I got roughly 100 yards past the back side of the swamp a bird gobbled from the west half of the block on my right. I quickly scrambled up the slope to get on the ridge he was on and gave another series of yelps. He hammered back immediately and had already begun closing the distance. I looked around and found a good tree, I was about 25 yards south of an east/west ridgeline and could see roughly 35 yards out toward the west in the direction the gobbler was coming from, it was a perfect setup. Approximately 5 minutes went by and I was starting to worry he might stay below the ridgeline and get too far to my right where I wouldn't be able to swing for a shot, so I carefully gave a couple of soft clucks on the trumpet. The response was instantaneous, he was no more than 50 yards straight in front of me and I could hear his gobble trail off into a low rattling rumble. I spent the next 15 minutes not moving a muscle, safety off, gun trained at the group of trees where I expected him to step out on one side or the other... but nothing happened. I waited another 10 minutes and tried lightly scratching in the leaves. Nothing. A few soft yelps, and again, nothing. 10 more minutes ticked by and I pulled out my crow call, and again I was met with silence. My best guess is that when he gobbled from so close he expected the hen to come right to him at that point, and when no hen showed he bugged out. If it wasn't for that last series of clucks he may have walked right into my lap. I was a little mad at myself for messing up on a bird that was coming in on a string but it was still early so I backed out and went over to the eastern half of the block. I made a loop around the perimeter and on the far east side I ran into 4 hens by themselves in a field. I got them going with some aggressive cutting and they came in to about 5 steps of where I was leaned against a maple before they finally spooked. Despite all of the back and forth calling no gobblers were heard from. I continued my loop and wound up back at the woods road near where I had struck the gobbler earlier. As I was considering my next move I thought I heard him sound off a bit farther out than he had been earlier and closer to the swamp. Rather than trying to call him back to the same spot I decided to swing to his south to try and come at him from a new angle. When I got to the southern edge of the block I switched to a glass pot call and tried a few calling sequences but got no answer. I continued to circle around toward the last place I had hear him, calling every few minutes as I went. Eventually I made it all the way up to where I could see the edge of the swamp and still hadn't made contact with him. I slowly worked my way along the swamp back toward the woods road and was thinking about what area I should head to for the second half of the morning. I picked up the woods road and began walking it toward the fields, there is a small clearing along the road about 60 yards before you get to the fields and I stopped at the edge to call one last time. I got a gobble in response, he was out in the fields and had probably walked up the road that I was now standing on just minutes before. I quickly found a spot to sit in a small stand of hemlocks that borders the road and provided deep shade. With the swamp on one side and thick brush on the other he was going to have to walk up the road if he wanted to come find me. I called again once I was in position and he sounded a bit closer when he answered. Several minutes later he gobbled one last time where the woods road enters the field and I knew he was coming. Thirty seconds later and I could see his red head bobbing down the road, at 26 yards he stepped into enough of an opening that I could see his beard and a load of Federal HW 7's dropped him in his tracks. My NY tags are filled but I may try to hit PA, VT or ME for a few days before the end of the month. Hopefully I'm not quite done yet.

A hearty "ATTABOY" to all involved...........you've done good!!

All the respect in the world for you guys….Did you watch your language ????

I believe the same thing. I had a deer blow at me the way Jonmp described last Saturday (and a couple times before). I was trying to turkey hunt, and the deer would not leave, just kept blowing and blowing. Finally after 10 minutes of this, I got up and threw a stick it's way until it took off. It still kept blowing, but wandered off in another direction.

I have always interpreted snorting as an alarm that is used when a deer is worried but not entirely clear on the nature of the threat. This is an opinion based on experience, not any research or reading.

I tend to agree with this... I'm not sure if pertains to all forums, but I think this forum has a better educated class of hunters than most of the 1000's of hunters I've encountered over the years. Although I don't think it represents the average NYS hunter... it does make for a bit more intelligent and interesting conversation than other forums I've been on. Most opinions seem well thought out even if I don't agree with some of them. I wouldn't come here for data if I was looking for a good sample of the average NYS deer hunter.

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Perhaps it's true in the US. I still firmly believe that legal hunting in impoverished countries like those in Africa cuts down on poaching though. When hunting is allowed in an impoverished country, you increase demand for other services. You need guides, trackers, cooks, entertainment, laborers, etc. The employment opportunities surrounding these operations gives the animals an economic value they would not otherwise have and incentivizes protection by locals where they ordinarily couldn't be bothered.

Nice evening beer after a nice bass dinner! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

QAD for me. I see all the benefits of a drop away as well as being fully contained. I did have a WB for the first year of bow hunting and i was always able to get groups with arrows touching.

ApexerER you are a real A**holeSent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

Guy in Dansville may do it he has a website....Brian pragle did my skull for me excellent work and great guy to deal withSent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

I'm sure there must be some kind of mistake. I ain't taken the fall for this one! If that was the kind of comment that would make someone want to leave this site then I don't know what to tell ya.

It saddens me to see you go, Papabear. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with you.

Good job this year to everyone who got involved with ANY aspect of the youth hunt, whether birds were killed or not! I've grown to really enjoy the pictures and stories you all share here during this youth hunt. Special thanks goes out to Lou for orchestrating this contest again to help encourage getting the next generation of hunters off to a good start! I've said it before, and I'll say it again.... it's a great thing you do Lou putting it all together for anyone that wants to participate! Bravo buddy!

Huge props for all who donated prizes. And congratulations to the winners and all the youth hunters who participated. And most importantly to all the mentors who took the time to take a kid hunting! You are all winners!!!

I re concur I would also like the start to gun to be on a Monday for all the reasons gman stated. I do not concur with crossbows to be in all the bow season. I think they should be in the black powder time frame.

OK, I'm giving in. After 15 or 16 years I'm going to get my Benelli SBE camo dipped. Anybody ever had one done? How about Tarjac, used them? Other places maybe closer to Buffalo? (if I could save some coin on shipping that'd be fine with me as long as the local guy has good references) Thanks for the replies................

Hunted a new property a buddy and myself got permission to hunt on Saturday for the PA opener. Hopes were high, as the birds were right on the ridge of this small property and shown to be roosted in a great spot for us to get setup when we scouted it out 2 Saturdays before. We got set up and unfortunately, all the birds we heard were across the road and sounded like they were a longggg ways off. We repositioned about 6:30 to try and project our calls across the road. After a long morning of distant answers we gave some calls and I about jumped off my seat when we heard a gobble that sounded like it was right in front of us. a couple soft yelps and we heard him close the distance. We catch a glimpse about 80 yards out and he was headed right up the logging road like we planned. He got about 40 yards out and we confirmed it was a jake. He came up on the left (my buddy's shot opportunity) and he goes "you'll have to kill him, I cant get my gun up". lol.... so it was up to me to decide whether or not I wanted to take a jake. I let him come to about 25 yards and was really weighing the options and decided a bird in the hand was worth it, especially with 2 NY tags in my pocket. Took him right there, just off the logging road, 9:00am. We sat there for about 35 minutes and then started with a couple more calls since we knew there were more birds across the road, and we were convinced that is where the jake came from. At one point, I thought I heard a gobble on our side of the road but couldn't be sure and he didn't answer again....for a little while anyway. He finally gobbled again and although he sounded like he was ways off, he was on our side of the road. So we beat feet across the small property to at least close the distance. We got moved, sat down, and as soon as we called, he gobbled just over the knoll in front of us, probably 80 yards away. we got quiet and sure enough, he popped out above some car-sized boulders, in half strut. a couple purrs and he hopped down on a boulder and worked his way to another logging road. He popped out at 45 and my buddy drilled him right there, 10:35am. What a morning! We started the day off feeling like not much was going to happen, to both getting a bird and filling our PA tags.

I'm sorry guys but I did taxidermy full time for over 20 years and went to school for it. Wet tan imo is not inferior. Now if I had a customer who insisted on dry tan Id certainly comply but I did many mounts both ways n you can see no difference either way. Now what I think you may be describing is dry preserved. Basically using a raw hide, fleshed n basically borax soap and preservative is thrown on it than mounted. You can see those mounts everywhere. Ears split, drumming, etc. Either wet or dry tan are great, pros n cons to both. Wet tan stretches much easier, thus fits a manikin easier n fills "voids" in the manikin. But it takes up space in the freezer if not instantly done, turn around as WNY said is a week. Dry tan is gonna get wet once you soak it to remove ear, nose cartilage, turn eyes, etc. can be thrown on a bench for storage n takes slightly longer. Anyone who is telling you its a tannery at fault isn't being honest. Yes it takes time, shipping costs so you can have slower guys trying to fill boxes for a few months before shipping, as WNY said there's prob a bunch of folks in front of you. I've never heard of one guy ever cut a customer off cause he spent less or put say a 15 grand guy in front of him. If your tsxidermist is working n not screwing off Id hope you pick a busy one. I tried to stay under a year but it was tough. That mount is s memory that stays on a wall a long time, if the guy is doing quality work don't Rush it

I use # 6 heavy shot in my 20ga 22s hole in the head and neck at 40yds.i killed 2 birds this year one at 35yds the other at about 25. I buy 10 and it will last me about 3 yrs .

Buckstopshere, nice bird and nice hooks on him. Nah you aren't done, you can't shoot but you definitely can call for someone else or go along for the fun. Take a youth hunting maybe . I'm still looking to punch tag #1 . Great season you've had

Glad you're staying PB!

Personally I feel for stand hunting u can't beat the biscuit for say shots 30 yds or less. Just my opinion

The front sight on my gun was one of those long (1 1/2" maybe) fiber optic rods, in kind of a metal frame, that snaps over the rib. They kept breaking. This year I pulled it off and went with a front and mid bead. Old school always works.

And the public land bullshit continues .... No sooner do I pull my gun out of the truck and close the door does a truck come wheelin in , and out hop three guys high tailing it across the road ... I shout , I'm going up top in there , the reply " no your not ( followed by snickers) ... So I go around the back side of the mountain and I figure I'll set up in the bottom closer to the roost instead of calling them up like my last bird... So I'm walking in and sure enough gobbling from the same spot , so I keep easing in and then three shots ring out ... In my head I'm thinking there is no f'n way that bird is on the ground yet as it was just starting to glow out ... Funny how we just had that shooting on the roost topic come up .... Smh Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

"New York times" might as well be "The National Enquirer". Everything has a lefty slant, & all stories are written to further a leftist agenda. Just sayin.

Had to aim to the sky http://www.westernjournalism.com/guy-just-set-world-record-9mm-revolver-awesome/

The arrows would get "lodged" in the biscuit sometimes, the fletchings would get marked up and the drop away just seemed to function better.

Be careful with a whisker biscuit...one cold morning my dad was drawing on a buck and his arrow made this gkd awful nosie as it pulled through the biscuit....deer spooked and the biscuit was removed from the bow that afternoon.....though not a common problem the combo of the crabon arrow and the brissles made for a loud squeek on a dead silent morning. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

I say Whisper Biscuit. You can get replacement whiskers that just slide in and there are no moving parts. I have never used a 'drop-away', but I used a few of those spring rests and was never happy.

There's a guy in Lancaster that does hydro dipping. Mad dipper is the name of his company. He had a stand at the wny outdoor expo in hamburg. Looked good to me. May get the wife's atv dipped.

I have heard less than favorable things about tarjac. Phade likes Brian's work. Guy in Newark does Kolorfusion (Ultimate Finishers) which is better than dipping but costs more (not sure it works on plastic). He has down several bows for me and did a good job.

We have lost many good members, just because of this. The cyber world can be a mean one. Hope you can take a change of heart and stay. Their are many here, that enjoy your posts.

Lol! Expresso you come off as an elitist snob. Thank God i have you to point out the proper use of the flag.

Well said doc I forgot one more thing it’s something I hate but we are not doing are part. The DEC at lease for a few years have MANDTORY REPORTING ON ALL DEER TAGS USED AND UNUSED. With the fine being you don’t receive the tag or tags you didn’t report on the next season and the fine is not assess till after you have paid for the tag or tags. At the very lease this would validate how well their harvest estimates are, and force us to do what we should have been doing all along.

Yes, that is one thing that has not really been talked about all that much. The conflict between the sanctity of private property ownership rights, and the fact that the transient property (deer) that wanders from one owner's property to another also has to be managed. That is a management task that is unlike anything that other government agencies are challenged with. I think when you look at how the DEC has to juggle those two conflicting tasks and the fact that so much of that is completely out of their control, perhaps they really are not doing that bad of a job.

. Oh yeah. I forgot about the 30" pike today... He was a fight on my ultra light rod with4# test...