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Ladies and Gentlemen......Boys & Girls......Children of all of ages.......HNY is proud to announce the Maiiiiiiiiiiiiin Event! In the blue corner.......wearing a BLACK BELT, armed with a slate call.....He's got a back weaker than Joe Biden's legs....BILLY! In the red corner........donning his Mullet, armed with deer gizz......He's got a 6-figure income......MICHAEL!

Hey.....I actually think Four Seasons is a lot like many of us here. Works hard, and the guy makes a good living doing something he loves. That in no way breaks any laws. Fills a nitch that has a demand. Even though some may not like what he does, it's an honest living!!! I'd love to be able to watch deer all day and get paid for it!!! Kills a couple nice bucks each year on public land. Enjoys family time. Seems intelligent enough. Just like many guys I know. Would I go on a high fence hunt? No. But I have no issue with someone who chooses to. It does not affect me at all, unless someone like Mr. Settle tries to BS me, into thinking he did something he did not. Everyone is different! If a person wants to spend big money, to kill a farm deer, that's totally up to them! Go for it. As for me, It's not about what I kill, but how I go about getting to that point. I truly do enjoy the preparation, planning, work, and effort, and maybe just a little skill, that I put in to kill a 100" buck! I'm good with that. I don't need a 300" deer on my wall to prove anything to myself, or anyone else. But that's just me. So if Four Seasons does ok supplying a demand........good for him! But he won't make any $$ from me. And I suppose he's good with that too.

Gave up and moved on to something else now

I purchased this mint old style CZ 527 about 15 years ago at the Syracuse gun show, it had a couple of things about it's design that prevented me from really warming up to it. One is minor, while I do like a detachable magazine I do not like the way it protrudes taking away from the trim lines this rifle has. Two the bolt handle was not designed for mount a scope low where it ought to be. I had a scope mounted with high rings and it did not line up right giving me a poor cheek weld. That being said I love the light weight and easy carrying trim stock, she is a tack driver and that set trigger is SWEET!!! So to make it right I found an outfit that makes a long low bolt handle that is easily changed out allowing me to mount one of my all time favorite scopes (Very Compact Burris Timberline) 4.5-14 nice and low with clearance to spare. There is also a fellow that will trim and modify the trigger guard group and use a three shot magazine making everything flush giving a big improvement is the looks department for my eyes. For now I will use it as it is and sent that trigger guard group in after hunting season. Today I hope to try out some 70 gr Speer dual purpose handloads and hopefully they group, I have a Chicken killing Fox around here and I am out for blood. Al

Just a heads up for anyone looking, i always check my local Ollies (Johnson City NY) before hunting season as they usually get some stuff in. This is by far the cheapest I've ever seen, I got Scent blocker Protec HD jacket and pants for $80 ($40 each). They seem to be a mid weight wind proof soft fleece type with the carbon scent blocking. The price was so good I got my dad a set also. They had probably 20-30 sets medium-xl. (These are not my photos, i stole them off the internet)

Good lord I hope not. Let's hope this thread dies faster than a pen raised pheasant.

Sorry Bill. I'm with FS on this one. Shooting a farm raised bird is no different than a caned deer hunt on 50 acres. Yes, getting kids involved in hunting is important. They get a pass from me for shooting a tame bird.

Will this be a high fence cage match??

These "Holier Than Thou" AKA as real ethical hunting arguments crack me up, this is the age of instant gratification and easy-peasy, it is legal and is what it is. 75% let off compounds, crossbows, scoped muzzleloaders that can fire spitzer bullets with ballistics the same as cartridges, ATVS, tree stands and blinds with all the comforts of home overlooking fields of cultivated Deer food on private land, preserve hunting of everything. Who here can can suit up and track down a big buck in the Adirondacks and kill him with a stick bow and cedar arrows or use a flintlock firing patched balls? As the old saying goes people in glass houses should not throw stones. Al

I think we have seen most every body's opinion on fenced hunts and such . Why bring this up? Why help anti hunters bring more division to our hunting groups . Why don't we just ponder the chicken and the egg quietly to ourselves..

I was thinking of throwing a dash of crossbow in to sweeten the pot

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Great buck pics. Just went thru all ours and our best is a 3 pt. Guess I should just not even hunt then. Lol See it's for the challenge, the time in the woods, the stories. It's not for pure meat or antlers. I can buy those anytime. But I can't buy the experience. That's what it's all about. We all of course try for the best buck that's a no brainer. But if it meant my season was worthless cause I didn't get a monster buck I wouldn't do it. And I will say I def respect the hard hunt time you put in on public land it's impressive. But you do it cause it's fun. Cause if it was just about antlers you could shoot one in the pen behind the house from the bathroom window. Lol

He reads another thread somewhere and then puts a post up on the subject that he…by the way is totally clueless about..just to stir a pot and then gets all Kung Flue on ya when ya call the stupidity out. And then plays the hypocrite thinking that it’s ok to shoot a pen raised bird but not a pen raised deer. Amazing!!

Thanks. Only two more forum bucks to go from last season and this thread can be closed. Here's a sneak peek at one of them...

Another thread where Bill makes a veiled threat to another member ( knowing they will never meet ) then says the other guys got a temper. Can someone explain to me how that works? If I'm dumb enough to jump off a bridge, land on someone and bust my leg, is it they guy I landed on fault?

I've got some high fence skunk hunting opportunities at my house if anyone is interested PM me for rates and accommodations. I actually booked a hog hunt in SC a couple of years ago and ended up cancelling it. Lost a couple of bucks for that but I just realized I wouldn't even enjoy that. It wasn't even a high fence hunt. Same reason I have no interest in a chartered fishing trip or a guided hunt. I want to be able to do it myself and figure it out. I cancelled cause I knew I wouldn't enjoy it just having someone tell me to "sit here" and something will come out and shoot it. I did nothing other than pull the trigger and be present to me isn't hunting. The same as being on a charter and handed a pole to reel in. Just not my thing. Now if I am sitting on my own land or public and doing that, but I put in all the sweat and scouting it's what I am there for. I'm ok with going to a friend's place and just sitting there without the work part but its more spending the time with friends doing something we enjoy. And I would still hesitate to shoot anything but a doe as I didn't feel I earned it. I could care less if others hunt in a high fence. Same as I don't care if a guys hobby is knitting or hunting. High fence has zero appeal to me. But I would pat a guy on the back a little harder if he took a forky in the dacks than a 200" in a fence.

“ high fence “ is such a varied term . I have a friend who trained for months walking stairs and hills with a weighted backpack , for a HF hunt out West. They fenced in 10s of thousands of acres , and he walked mountains for days upon days never seeing a fence , finally getting one on his last day . Then my one nephew when he’s in Texas on business and has a free afternoon , will drop 10k to sit in an elevated , well cabin almost and shoot a buck when it comes to a feeder. Don’t see why I should care with either . Both are very successful bow and gun hunters in the traditional sense as well , but they have the cake to do both if they wish .

I’m slowly easing into getting up early , today I got out of bed at 7:45 ! Some of my neighbors were already outside walking and driving by in cars , freaks . Ill probably need two naps today .

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Not for nothing but, I'd look down at someone less for shooting waterfowl with lead shot than someone paying to shoot a deer in a fence. I get it, you're somehow mingled up in the business so naturally you'll never admit what type of slob hunters you cater to most often. I don't really care what you do or how much you make doing it, if it's legal then go for it. But don't try to insult all of us by saying we can't kill a buck in a fence or we would jump at the chance, but since we all apparently can't afford it, we don't. I have hunted a high fence and it was a pathetic excuse for hunting. I don't speak for all of them but I know where I stand. Sent from my moto g fast using Tapatalk

Three of those within a few minutes of each other should give you a good buzz!

Again I love how you think all of us will just give up our own personal morals for big antlers. You truly crack me up . There’s way more to a hunt than big antlers..

That's not true .

Venison shepherd's pie

First mount of two headed home to the resident trail cam expert!

WOW. the other night i attempted a few jars of canned venison for the first time. It came out fork tender, similar to a pot roast, and such a good flavor. Here's what I did: trim the meat of all fat, sinew, silverskin, etc cut it into roughly 1" chunks I seasoned it with salt, pepper, garlic powder, and just a dash of chili powder in the prepared mason jar I started with a few spoons of pasta sauce, then a few thin sliced chiles (I used jalapeno), then added the meat to just about the top of the jar, then topped it with another spoon of sauce and some more chiles. sealed it all up and put it in the pressure cooker for a little over an hour. I just tried it for lunch. I may actually shoot extra deer this year just to make sure I'm stocked for this! And it won't take up space in the freezer.

The property I have permission to hunt in the western Pine Bush, is being sold. I was aware it could be sold last year when I gained access to it. Thought it might even get sold before this season? Got the call last night that this will definately be the last hunting season, before it goes on the market. So kinda bittersweet. Last year in there, I was at full draw on what would have been my biggest bow buck ever. Easily a 150" class deer. But he hung up, at less than 20 yards, I couldn't hold any longer, and had to let down. He was gone. So maybe I'll get a chance to redeem myself? We'll see? There are some huge bucks in 'The Bush' for bow only. I won't hunt there unless conditions are perfect. The deer in there are far from easy to hunt. I know I am very fortunate to have the choices of properties that I have to hunt. A better, or less selective hunter than I, would likely have much more to show for it. As my bowhunting career winds down, my goal this year is to get just one more 'good one'. My best chance to do that is in the Pine Bush. Happy to get one more chance.

Sorry to hear but glad your making the right decision for him and putting your feelings to the side for a moment. Some people just string animals along for the sake of thier own feelings and the animal suffers. Tuff decision but the right one.

You need not explain to me, I get it 100%.... This is my point exactly! It's all about what makes hunting enjoyable to you, me, and everyone who hunts! We are all individuals, and as such, we all see and do it at our own level. We all have different goals. There is no right, wrong or indifferent!! Hold out for a huge buck. Shoot the first deer that ambles along. Or anything in between. It's really ALL good!!!! It's ALL just hunting!!! Do it the way YOU want, and let others do the same. No need to put one above, or below another, for doing it their way!! It doesn't matter! Just get out there and have fun. Isn't that what it's all about? If not fun, why do it??

Start out close, and move the whole pin set. It's not uncommon for the sight to get knocked around, especially getting bumped down. There should be a screw that will adjust the whole frame up or down, and you'll need to take yours up. Start at 10 yards and work back from there. Not right now obviously, no drinking and shooting

Remember the " follow the arrow" rule when adjusting sights. If you're hitting high, move the pin up... It easy to think.. I'm hitting high, so I'll lower my pin, but that's only going to make you shoot higher. If that was just about anything than JD, I'd join ya, lol.

Mostly no light for me. I prefer to walk in the dark and know exactly where I'm going. But I hunt private land. When hunting public land, I use a red lense LED headlamp.

And the pre cage match trash-talking commences!!

Well well well Praise the Lord !

Dude- don't have a Heart Attack! Your Swearing is not impressing me at all. Your point above makes no sense. Many New Youth Hunters are hunting because of Pheasant Releases. Period- end of story.

Looks fantastic! I am ordering a pressure cooker today for this very reason

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Desperately clinging to summer!

Stuffed banana peppers from the garden wrapped in thick cut bacon. Cream cheese, cheddar, shrimp and chorizo as the stuffing. Some farmer cheese pierogi on the side.

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Most likey in a ground blind with both of my young boys. They are pumped.......and can't wait to get out for the afternoon sit on 10/1. Sent from my SM-A716V using Tapatalk

I am going from memory but I can't recommend the Ball Canning guide enough. It is very helpful becasue pressure canning is NOT the activity to venture out on unproven recipes. I use about 1" to 1-1/2" cubes of venison. pack in sanitized and warm jars (I like pint narrow mouth becasue it seems to hold the meat down well). I add in a couple whole cloves of garlic and about a quarter section of a small onion. dash of Cayenne pepper or a hot pepper (optional) I can't remember the amount of canning salt but that is added too. Pack tightly as possible to reduce air space and pressure can. I think it was 60 minutes for pints and 90 minute for quarts. No additional water required. It's simple, delicious and really makes a great use for lesser cuts of meat. SUPER tender and even heavy sinew cooks down and the meat falls apart with a fork. Good use for shanks and lower quarter meat.

The dodge version is nice, once the bed sides rot off you dont have to slide it out anymore...

if that was motorized and wired to the cab, and pointed the opposite direction, it would sure help to back off tailgaters!

Windows trimmed and ready to go. I'm cleaning up and vacuuming the sawdust between the floorboards when my wife comes in and asks, "why are your shoes on?" You just can't win.