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What happen to the guy who made wood sculptures ?
Just wondering haven't been here for a while.
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6 hours ago, Grouse said:
I'm not certain they are actually being elected anymore.
Think about how many get a check from the gov thats why they win elections . If not for that most would not even vote . And things would be more even .
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On 9/10/2023 at 6:27 AM, Grouse said:
How is it Democrat voters don't see that it is always a Democrat politician that does this unconstitutional stuff? And how do they get to do it without being locked up for intetionally violating a civil right?
New Mexico Governor Suspends People’s Right To Carry Guns In Albuquerque | The Daily Wire
Great idea for the big blue citys why not do this in LA Chicago and New York City and then make it so they cant leave because it's a medical emergency lol that everyone else in the country still has guns. Lol make them think twice about who they elect next time around . Hi left field
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3 hours ago, airedale said:
Your someone image will more than likely have the same habit no matter what they were hunting be it Squirrels Rabbits Deer or Turkeys and be doing it with whatever firearm they were using. Someone that fires at a movement is the worst as far as I am concerned.
You do know that the blaze Orange law just went into effect and at least from what I see most Deer hunters try to conceal themselves and wear camo. Personally I am all for blaze Orange and never go into the woods period without a blaze Orange hat on.
I will again cite the doom and gloom predictions about rifles being used in the southern zone for Deer saying dead hunters would be stacked up like cord wood if rifles were ever allowed. Bottom line none of it happened.
Someone is going to have to show me undisputable proof that in states that allow rifles for Turkey hunting there are more incidents of hunters been shot or injured with a rifle than where shotguns only are used and I have seen nothing of the kind that is official, just hypotheticals of what possibly can happen not what did happen.
They are two good calibers that work well for taking Turkeys. Here on the farm for several years I raised a flock of Merriam wild Turkeys. When it came time to harvest one for the pot I used both a 22 mag and a 17 HMR which beat in spades trying to hold a big Tom down and killing him using the old chopping block method.
At distances of up to 100 yds those two cartridges were 100% effective with very little meat damage, hit them right behind the wing where it attaches to the body and it is lights out.
Al
Yes true but Usually with tree rats they at least will be shooting up and not at ground level still bad but less chance of hitting some one at close Lethal range.
I have had bird shot pellets rain down on me from a distance Distant field thats scary enough on state land before .
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7 minutes ago, Untwisted Pretzel logic said:
LOL There is no comparison between deer hunting safety protocol/regulations and turkey hunting. Please know that blaze orange is required for deer hunting with any firearm including one capable of firing a projectile that can travel over a mile.
Tactics for turkey require concealment, no blaze orange, therefore, more risk from someone shooting from a distance at movement or a realistic decoy.
You want facts. Look at incidents where hunters that are not wearing blaze orange during rifle season are shot. Blaze orange laws are there for a reason. The cases are there for you to look and see, no ears required.
Have a good day and always hunt safely.
I think i heard the guy from meat eater say one time that more people are shot in turkey season then any other season of hunting becuase of the way you hunt turkey camo no blaze orange exsta . He even went on to say that has friends that've been shot in turkey season more than one.
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Maybe air rifles be ok but not powderburners i think thats over kill and to much of a Advantage. Just Thought I'd put that out there .
I just have this image of someone on state land with a ruger 10/22 just spraying the mag out at the first sign of Movement in the brush in my head . And that is lot more Dangerous then turkey shot if u happen to get hit .
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2 hours ago, blackbeltbill said:
This could be a page Turner.
I say no to Rifles in New York for both Turkey Seasons.
Wild Turkey Biologist- the Late Wayne Bailey in his Book-- Wayne's Turkey World/60 Years Of Hunting-( I have a signed copy)- listed several Spring and Fall Fatalities.
Jack Cromer,Supervisor of Game Research West Virginia Dept of Natural Resources in Spring 1981 was Yelping like a Hen when he received a .22 Magnum in his lower leg. He survived. Bailey lists a few others that were killed by Rifles .
Like i was saying in the other thread it really should be based on Ballistics these season before anything else but im good with just shotguns only for turkey .
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6 minutes ago, phantom said:
Yeah I learned about a new product I didn't know existed before traditional Nitro fire thats close enough to a single shot that if I would have known about it I probably not have bothered to start this thread lol
But then again thats not cheap
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18 minutes ago, airedale said:
Yes it is a lively entertaining thread with a lot of good input.
Al
Yeah I learned about a new product I didn't know existed before traditional Nitro fire thats close enough to a single shot that if I would have known about it I probably not have bothered to start this thread lol
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Well it looks like it's going in the direction of muzz guns that are kinda like single shot shotguns anyway. Thats pretty slick . My pridection is this is the future of muzzle loader season every company going to start making that Design.
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10 hours ago, Grouse said:
It seems to me if they were to allow single shot shotguns during ML season, there would be more people hunting that season and most of them would be using single shot shotguns. That would defeat the purpose of the primitive weapons idea that ML seasons were designed to encourage.
A single shot shotgun can be reloaded very quickly, compared to a ML. That really negates the idea of hunting deer with a rifle that has to make the first shot count and requires special knowledge of an antique weapon to be successful.
We already have modern ML rifles that have removed the mystique of ML use. I don't think it would be wise to remove the need to use a ML during a ML season.
Kinda of like crossbows in archery and we know how that is going more crossbows less archery . Its what ever is more Popular that wins out in the end I guess.
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1 hour ago, DirtTime said:
Well would you look at that! A new take on the crossbow in the whole archery season, shotguns in the ML season. This will get fun.
Another good one from the storm that's far from home.
You can already use crossbow in mz season it also can be loaded faster then a mz gun is more convenient. so already they are Transitioning the rules same with bow season little By little technology the rules change one way or the other exactly what Is going to happen in next 20 years who knows.
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1 hour ago, wolc123 said:
I like the single-shot smoothbore shotgun in ML season idea. It might have put an extra deer in my freezer last year, during the Holliday ML season.
I caught the tail end of the Christmas blizzard on the first day of that last year. A considerable amount of wind driven snow must have made it into my muzzle that morning, then melted down into the powder charge, when I brought the gun in the house at lunch time.
That was the second mistake I made that day. I should have left the gun out in my unheated barn. I also should have covered the muzzle, when hunting in the wind driven snow, that morning.
That evening, I suffered my first misfire with my in-line ML, saving the life of a nice sized broadside doe at 50 yards. My old, NY-arms 12 ga single shot smoothbore would have had no trouble getting the job done that day with a plastic-cased smokeless-powder slug.
If such a law passes (and I don’t believe it ever will), I would only use that shotgun on rainy or snowy days.
Yea your Probably right it will take a Lobbiest to get that past , Make a donation to the right people you know how it is. The crossbow companies figured out the Formula . But they get you to spend a arm and leg on there products so was worth it to them dont think shotgun companys need that season to sell there Products so they are not going To hire lawyers to get that past or make donation to the right people . Also the The muzzle loader companies would fight against it anyway cause they want you to buy their stuff .
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57 minutes ago, land 1 said:
the states i found require use of black powder, and must be replicas or antique firearms "non modern firearms," and there are some new single shot shotguns for 104 to 110 but nothing for 90 i can find but close ill give u that
About 3 years 4 years ago they were that low befor covid now everthing is up .
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13 minutes ago, land 1 said:
name a state and prove that they are considering it and where are these 90 dollar shot guns you speak of sold
I think Kentucky Ohio Minnesota we're considering it. Some areas have single shot shotgun seasons where you can use a muzzle loader . There are so many different regs out there even with in a state .
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4 minutes ago, land 1 said:
name a state and prove that they are considering it and where are these 90 dollar shot guns you speak of sold
American Tactical Nomad Single Shot 18.5" 12 Gauge Shotgun - Blue/Black, 18.5" Barrel, 1 Round, Synthetic, 3" Chamber, Black Synthetic Stock 104 bucks right now but on sale u can get them cheaper
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4 minutes ago, Lawdwaz said:
CLASSIC phantom thread!
Hey whats up Buddy good to here from you .
I believe that smoothbore shotguns should be allowed in muzzleloader season, as there is no harm in it. Although smoothbore shotguns have less range and accuracy than muzzleloaders, they still provide an enjoyable hunting experience and should not be excluded from muzzleloader season. Allowing smoothbore shotguns in muzzleloader season would create a more inclusive atmosphere and provide more opportunities for hunters to enjoy their sport.
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21 minutes ago, rob-c said:
Your grasping at straws, trying to prove your point .. it will never happen ..
There is a number of States that want to do what i'm talking about. I mean I guess it all depends on what their goals are . Is it about tradion or somthing else I argue unless you're gonna go flintlocks only having other premtive firarms should be Consider using Ballistics as your Guide to make the rules anything with less range should be ok to use like a smoothbore single shot shotgun
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7 minutes ago, rob-c said:
How do you figure pretty sure they make rifled barreled single shots .
Ok then only smoothbore single shot shotguns. For argument sake. What's the harm in that you're not going to tell me you think those are better than a modern muzz gun .
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Just now, rob-c said:
How do you figure pretty sure they make rifled barreled single shots .
It's still not going to have as good of Ballistics as a muzz gun for one not gping to shoot as flat they also tend to kick harder making you more Likely to Flinch . I just dont see the harm in it. It's not like they're going to be killing more dear than you with single shot shotgun .
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I know there's a few members on here that use their muzzle guns even in rifle season because it's so accurate does not make difference to them . One shot one kill thats what you want.
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Just now, rob-c said:
You can’t sit there and tell me you or anyone can load a muzzle loader as fast as a single shot . End of story your wrong .
Its not a issue even if it is faster . Because you got better range and Accuracy with a muzzle loader advantage muzzle.
What happen to the guy who made wood sculptures ?
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Yea thats the one wooly