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  1. On 9/10/2023 at 6:27 AM, Grouse said:

    How is it Democrat voters don't see that it is always a Democrat politician that does this unconstitutional stuff?  And how do they get to do it without being locked up for intetionally violating a civil right?

    New Mexico Governor Suspends People’s Right To Carry Guns In Albuquerque | The Daily Wire

    Great idea for the big blue citys why not do this in LA Chicago and New York City and then make it so they cant leave because it's a medical emergency lol that everyone else in the country still has guns. Lol  make them think twice about who they elect next time around . Hi left field :)

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  2. 3 hours ago, airedale said:

    Your someone image will more than likely have the same habit no matter what they were hunting be it Squirrels Rabbits Deer or Turkeys and be doing it with whatever firearm they were using. Someone that fires at a movement is the worst as far as I am concerned.

     

    You do know that the blaze Orange law just went into effect and at least from what I see most Deer hunters try to conceal themselves and wear camo. Personally I am all for blaze Orange and never go into the woods period without a blaze Orange hat on.

    I will again cite the doom and gloom predictions about rifles being used in the southern zone for Deer saying dead hunters would be stacked up like cord wood if rifles were ever  allowed. Bottom line none of it happened.

    Someone is going to have to show me undisputable proof that in states that allow rifles for Turkey hunting there are more incidents of hunters been shot or injured with a rifle than where shotguns only are used and I have seen nothing of the kind that is official, just hypotheticals of what possibly can happen not what did happen.

     

    They are two good calibers that work well for taking Turkeys. Here on the farm for several years I raised a flock of Merriam wild Turkeys. When it came time to harvest one for the pot I used both a 22 mag and a 17 HMR which beat in spades trying to hold a big Tom down and killing him using the old chopping block method.

    At distances of up to 100 yds those two cartridges were 100% effective with very little meat damage, hit them right behind the wing where it attaches to the body and it is lights out.

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    Yes true but Usually with tree rats they at least will be shooting up and not at ground level still bad but less chance of hitting some one at close  Lethal  range. 

    I have had bird shot pellets rain down on me from a distance Distant field thats scary enough on state land before . 

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  3. 7 minutes ago, Untwisted Pretzel logic said:

    LOL There is no comparison between deer hunting safety protocol/regulations and turkey hunting. Please know that blaze orange is required for deer hunting with any firearm including one capable of firing a projectile that can travel over a mile.

    Tactics for turkey require concealment, no blaze orange, therefore, more risk from someone shooting from a distance at movement or a realistic decoy.

    You want facts. Look at incidents where hunters that are not wearing blaze orange during rifle season are shot. Blaze orange laws are there for a reason. The cases are there for you to look and see, no ears required.

    Have a good day and always hunt safely.

     

    I think i heard the guy from meat eater say one time that more people are shot in turkey season then any other season of hunting becuase of the way you hunt turkey  camo no blaze orange  exsta .  He even went on to say that has  friends that've been shot in turkey season  more than one.

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  4. Maybe air rifles be ok   but not powderburners  i think thats over  kill and to much of a Advantage. Just Thought I'd put that out there .

    I just have this image of someone on state land with a ruger 10/22 just spraying the mag out  at the first sign of Movement in the brush in my head . And that is lot  more Dangerous then turkey shot if u happen to get hit .

     

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  5. 2 hours ago, blackbeltbill said:

      This could be a page Turner.

      I say no to Rifles  in New York for both Turkey Seasons.

      Wild Turkey Biologist- the Late Wayne Bailey in his Book-- Wayne's  Turkey World/60 Years Of Hunting-( I have a signed copy)- listed several Spring and Fall Fatalities. 

    Jack Cromer,Supervisor of Game Research West Virginia Dept of Natural Resources in Spring 1981 was Yelping like a Hen when he received  a .22 Magnum in his lower leg. He survived. Bailey lists a few others that were killed by Rifles .

     

     

    Like i was saying in the other thread it really  should be based on Ballistics these season  before anything else but im good with just  shotguns only for turkey . 

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  6. 10 hours ago, Grouse said:

    It seems to me if they were to allow single shot shotguns during ML season, there would be more people hunting that season and most of them would be using single shot shotguns.  That would defeat the purpose of the primitive weapons idea that ML seasons were designed to encourage.

    A single shot shotgun can be reloaded very quickly, compared to a ML.  That really negates the idea of hunting deer with a rifle that has to make the first shot count and requires special knowledge of an antique weapon to be successful.

    We already have modern ML rifles that have removed the mystique of ML use.  I don't think it would be wise to remove the need to use a ML during a ML season.

    Kinda of like crossbows in archery  and we know how that is going more crossbows less archery . Its what ever is more Popular that wins out in the end I guess. 

  7. 1 hour ago, DirtTime said:

    Well would you look at that! A new take on the crossbow in the whole archery season, shotguns in the ML season. This will get fun.

     

    Another good one from the storm that's far from home.

    You can already use crossbow in mz season it also can be loaded faster then a mz gun is more  convenient. so already they are Transitioning  the rules same with bow season little By little technology the rules change one way or the other exactly what Is going to happen in next 20 years who knows.

  8. 1 hour ago, wolc123 said:

    I like the single-shot smoothbore shotgun in ML season idea.  It might have put an extra deer in my freezer last year, during the Holliday ML season.  

    I caught the tail end of the Christmas blizzard on the first day of that last year.  A considerable amount of wind driven snow must have made it into my muzzle that morning, then melted down into the powder charge, when I brought the gun in the house at lunch time.

    That was the second mistake I made that day.  I should have left the gun out in my unheated barn.  I also should have covered the muzzle, when hunting in the wind driven snow, that morning. 
     

    That evening, I suffered my first misfire with my in-line ML, saving the life of a nice sized broadside doe at 50 yards.  My old, NY-arms 12 ga single shot smoothbore would have had no trouble getting the job done that day with a plastic-cased smokeless-powder slug. 

    If such a law passes (and I don’t believe it ever will), I would only use that shotgun on rainy or snowy days.  

     

    Yea your Probably right it will take a Lobbiest to get that past ,  Make a donation to the right people you know how it is. The crossbow companies figured out the Formula . But they get you to spend a arm and leg on there products so was worth it to them dont think shotgun companys need that season to sell there Products so they are not going To hire lawyers to get that past or make donation to the right people . Also the The muzzle loader companies would fight against it anyway cause they want you to buy their stuff . 

     

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  9. 4 minutes ago, Lawdwaz said:

    CLASSIC phantom thread!

    Hey whats up Buddy good to here from you . 

    I  believe that smoothbore shotguns should be allowed in muzzleloader season, as there is no harm in it. Although smoothbore shotguns have less range and accuracy than muzzleloaders, they still provide an enjoyable hunting experience and should not be excluded from muzzleloader season. Allowing smoothbore shotguns in muzzleloader season would create a more inclusive atmosphere and provide more opportunities for hunters to enjoy their sport. 

  10. 21 minutes ago, rob-c said:

     

    Your grasping at straws,  trying to prove your  point .. it will never happen ..

    There is a number of States that want to do what i'm talking about. I mean I guess it all depends on what their goals are . Is it about tradion or somthing else I argue unless you're gonna go flintlocks only having other premtive firarms should be Consider using Ballistics as your Guide to make the rules anything with less range should be ok to use like a smoothbore single shot shotgun 

  11. Just now, rob-c said:

    How do you figure pretty sure they make rifled barreled single shots . 

    It's still not going to have as good of  Ballistics as a muzz gun for one not gping to shoot as flat they also tend to kick harder making you more Likely to Flinch  . I just dont see the harm in it. It's not like they're going to be killing more dear than you with single shot shotgun .

     

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