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  1. 2 hours ago, Lawdwaz said:

    It’d be pretty neat if you posted a picture October 15, 2024 of that singe buck your hunting.   That would show your superiority…..

     

    I’m sure when that time rolls around I can help ya out. Until then 2023 will have to work for ya. 

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  2. 9 minutes ago, Moho81 said:

    You know I really don't know this gentlemen at all. Mr. Chad Draper from his one quote here sounds quite a bit like you. A real hunter, one that has gone toe to toe with the oldest and wisest of bucks in the woods and has come out on top. Now is he a member of a forum? That I am not sure of so to me you are still the greatest hunter on any forum in the world!

    In my humble opinion Mr. Draper is real man much like yourself hunts to the truest definition of hunting a man that finds, scouts, learns and hunts down one single mature whitetail buck one on one and go until they kill that one buck or bust. 

    ALL HAIL KING FOUR SEASON! We bow in your presence. 

    I guess you can bow to the 1000’s of us that do not get out jollies from killing a dumbest deer in the woods and like to challenge ourselves with the best.                        We still have those like you and Wolc that are still at that level with the dumbest in the woods.  Enjoy that and enjoy looking at the pictures of the top bucks the other level continues to show you. Don’t feel bad though. Not everyone has what it takes. 

  3. 6 hours ago, airedale said:

    In the setting and atmosphere I grew up in it would have been almost impossible not to become involved in hunting. Unlike today where it seems very few hunt, especially young folks, back when I was a kid almost everyone I knew hunted. Family on both my mother and father's side were avid hunters, my Dad was a fanatical hunter. When family and friends got together the conversations invariably were many times about hunting, it was easy to get drawn into the culture and excitement. My Dad encouraged me all along the way, hunting books, Sports Afield and Outdoor Life magazines in the house were read voraciously, so it was pretty easy for me to get psyched and involved.

    Lot's of small game hunting got me started, my Dad was a big time rabbit hunter with top notch Beagle rabbit dogs, he had friends that had Coon dogs, that is where my love for hunting with dogs got started. Back then there were plenty of Pheasants, Squirrels, and Grouse along with assorted waterfowl, still my prefered type of hunting today. The good old days really were good. Absent was the greed one sees today.

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    Exactly. After being in the game for over 50 years and watching how the hunting world has changed I’m afraid in another 10 years the hunting world will look much different. With land getting ate up by expansion and with the large land lots leased out by those that want their hunting taken to the next level and not challenged by smaller animals it tough finding land for new hunters. Years ago we would walk railroad tracks for miles hunting off both sides and never saw posted signs or had anyone ever say we could not hunt. The other biggest problem now is the lack of small game to start new hunters out. Like you years back we ran coon hounds and had a blast and that now has changed to running yotes but even with that we have a hard time finding bigger blocks of woods to run the dogs. A different world no doubt. 

  4. 2 hours ago, Moho81 said:

    LOL, We get it. You are the greatest hunter on this forum or any other forum in the world. We will all now bow down in your presence. 

     

    All hail King Four Season 

    And what do you call the fella in this post?  He a great hunter because he hunts only a target animal?  How about this fella’s comment in the Outdoor News?  He hunts as long as he still has a target animal. Usually the ones that make the stupid comments like yours are the ones that would never be a up for the challenge and that’s life. 

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  5. 1 hour ago, steve863 said:

    As others have said here and I totally agree with everyone has their own reasons why they hunt.  If someone wants to wait for a deer that's twelve years old and toothless they can go right ahead.  I surely can't stop them.  I and many others will not be waiting for one like that.  The problem I have with what you keep posting is that you imply that those hunters who hunt for mature bucks only are in many ways superior to all others (and of course one of these superior hunters being YOU). You also claim that these hunters are the only ones who will ever feel what the word "hunting" really means.  I call BS to that for so many reasons.  As much as it doesn't seem to sink in for you it is definitely NOT all about the horns for many if not most hunters out there and most of us don't feel shortchanged in the least because of this.  You hunt for what you want to hunt for and we will hunt for what we want to hunt for.  Simple enough in my opinion and I think most of us have hunted long enough where we don't need to be lectured how your way is the only truly satisfying way to hunt.

     

     

     

     

     

    Just as you say. Hunters will hunt their way. And for some their way is the superior way. If you think hunting is to go sit in the woods and shoot any deer that walks by then you have no clue to what real hunting can be. Your happy to wait for Any deer while other choose to find one deer…. Which is a mature deer not so much a big antlered deer and that deer is in fact superior to the little spike or four pointer you are happy to take. That’s just a 100% fact. You hunt animals as a whole and other hunt animals one on one. And yes to be successful at that to any degree makes the Hunter just a superior as the animal they are pursuing. A mature whitetail buck is superior to all other Whitetails in so many ways.   And you throw my name in there yourself for your own reasons because if you were to pay attention to the post started the guy that killed that awesome buck hunts the same exact way.  I guess he is superior also. 

  6. 4 hours ago, steve863 said:

    Boy oh boy do you beat this to death.  Like someone doesn't know the meaning of "hunting" unless he's out to kill a huge buck? LOL  No way, bud.  I'll tell you what "hunting" is to me.  I've now got my young son hunting with me for the last five seasons and nothing could be greater as far as "hunting" is concerned and we are creating memories that will last us until our last breath on this earth.  It matters mighty little what size deer either of us kill or if we even kill any.  I have given up some of my own limited hunting time to be able to take him along with me but could care less.  It don't matter one tiny bit that I may have not been out there at my spot when that monster buck walked by.  The memories that I will have hunting with my son and passing down the tradition to the next generation of hunters is way MORE important than any huge antlers on the wall.  Now my sons cousin (my nephew) has been saying that he want to try hunting also.  Hopefully I can now add even another young man to the next generation of hunters.  This in my mind far outweighs any dust collecting trophy buck on the wall.  In fact it's NO contest between the two.

     

     

     

     

    You see the funny thing is that we do the same exact thing. You don’t think we take kids and grandkids hunting?  You don’t think we kill does and they kill any buck they choose?  The fact is is that you or anyone else will know that feeling of accomplishment until one does it. Tracking a mature buck one on one and shoot him in its bed or coming out of that bed in the Adirondack snow would be the same exact feeling. We all get the enjoyment of the woods and all that goes with it. It’s just that some of us…That can do it…up our game and get a whole lot more then just sitting in the woods and waiting for the first legal deer to walk by. After harvesting 100’s of Whitetails there it makes a huge difference.   Very few have what it takes to harvest a mature whitetail from start to finish but those same few get all the enjoyment you get and a whole level more. 

  7. 1 hour ago, Doc said:

    Yes, a great hunt is measured differently by all of us. Hunting is an individual activity, and we all do it for our own reasons. I understand those that measure the greatness of their hunt by the numerical score of a deer's rack. I happen to come from a time when nobody knew what the heck you were talking about if you started talking about score. We measured the size of a buck simply by the number of points. First of all it was something if you simply got a buck......any buck. Then it was the number of points that counted. It could be a scraggly little, tiny rack, but if it had enough points, it was worth bragging about. Now we have people dragging out their tape measures and following carefully dictated procedures to prove to the world what kind of buck they got.

    Yeah, we are all different. A great hunt can be all kinds of different things to each of us. Heck, it can even be a squirrel or rabbit hunt that turns out to be a "great hunt". We simply have to appreciate the entire experience and the fact that we can even get out to hunt at all. But above all, we have to resist the thought that we all have to be out there for a single reason, a single goal, and MUST take only a specific gender size and aged animal. We do not. We simply must hunt and enjoy it for whatever internal reasons that we each have.

     

    True Words. But one will never feel what the word Hunting” really means until one finds, scouts, learns and hunts down one single mature whitetail buck one on one and go until they kill that one buck or bust. One will never know that feeling until it’s been earned. Not an easy task 99.9% of the time. 

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  8. I’m with Land on this one. Awesome place and awesome look now. Can’t beat the natural beauty of wood on camps. Add in the wood heat and boom….Its Camp! Come in after a long cold day, fill the gut and feel that heat and it’s light out. Perfect!!

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  9. 6 hours ago, Grouse said:

    I think really great hunts are more important than the size of the animal taken.

    I mourn the lack of interest in small game and waterfowl hunting these days.  I recall many that were memorable and full of action.  Deer hunting is great, but I don't want to spend the limited amount of time I have to hunt, doing a lot of work looking for one deer, when I could be hunting small game or ducks.  Most of my scouting for deer is done when hunting grouse, pheasant or waterfowl.  Some is done when I'm bowhunting.  

    If pursuing one deer becomes an addiction, I think that's a problem.  I can't think of any addiction that is good for the man afflicted with it.

     

    Great hunts happen every time one steps into the woods. It’s the outcome that’s different for all. There is no addictions, it’s called choices. And some choose to do battle with the best of the best when they chase Whitetail’s. If a person is happy just filling their tags with any deer that walks by then so be it and they should have plenty of time to hunt small game. Problem is most have a better chance of finding a 12 point buck then they do finding properties with huntable numbers of small game.   

  10. 1 hour ago, Doc said:

    I kind of like the idea of "shoot what makes you happy as long as it keeps you hunting". We keep on telling people that if they don't shoot the biggest buck in the woods, they just aren't really hunters. That message is pushed on to us by the hunting media from every direction. And every year we see our numbers declining. I understand that declining hunter numbers have many different reasons, but I have to believe that this constant drumbeat of "If you don't place all kinds of limits on your goals, you aren't doing it right" is also losing us numbers of hunters. I do not tell people what to shoot. I will be the first to shake the hand of a guy who just got a spike if he is proud of it, and I will congratulate him on his accomplishment.

    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate a big buck like this one as much as anyone, but I refuse to tell other people what they should be shooting. It just isn't any of my business. Hunting is an individual activity, and I am not one to push my standards onto others. That is one quick way to turn a hunter into an ex-hunter.

    In today’s world we are losing hunters because of age and the way of the world. I really hate to see what it looks like in say only 10 years from now. It would be tough to change a hunters ways into only shooting a big deer because most hunters are just in the game to get some meat and hope to get the biggest buck that they see in the few days they have to hunt. That will never change with that group. I think once a Hunter shoots a buck say 120 or better in Ny state and get that overwhelming feeling one gets they will want that feeling every year and they will put more time into the sport then just picking out a tree somewhere and hope for the best.                   That feeling will never be beaten when a Hunter see’s a deer and his heart starts racing and knees start knocking. Beat drug ever. Now actually find that buck and hunt only him and kill him.  That’s just addicting. 

  11. 2 hours ago, First-light said:

    It took my guys a couple of years to understand the process. First coming up they would shoot small bucks. I always pushed the point to better yourself from the year before. Go bigger and you will see the difference. Now they are holding off and looking for 2.5 year olds and better. Shoot a Doe for meat. I like where we are at in my neck of the woods. QDM is working. We have one group that comes up from Maryland and hunts the first 5 days and leaves. They will shoot small ones but really don't put a hurt on things. 

    Exactly.  I wish every Hunter had the chance to feel the feeling when they harvest a top of the line buck in their area regardless of the size. One that they know when they first lay eyes on it that it’s something special. Then take it one step further and do the work and find a buck or two on that special size and then hunt that deer until harvest, nothing smaller will do. Now that’s the ultimate feeling in the hunting world. 

  12. Gotta let the little ones go to get a big one. Most hunters today do not have the discipline to let bucks pass with the knowing that they might have an empty tag in their pocket at the end of the year. Nothing beats matching wits with a mature trophy whitetail for sure. 

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  13. 15 hours ago, landtracdeerhunter said:

    More pictures?

    Pulled cameras. Well over 100 calling the farm home for the winter as they always do. Flock of 20 plus bearded Tom’s with Jake’s mixed in. Amazing how they just up and disperse come adoring thaw. We have plenty hang around to fill everyone’s tags but nowhere near the numbers here now. 

  14. 6 hours ago, Grouse said:

    That being the case, you are both a trophy hunter and a meat hunter.  Die hard trophy hunters don't shoot anything but trophy bucks.  Many don't even eat the venison.

    I do only shoot trophy bucks. In my hunting area. I find a couple of the biggest mature bucks in my area and will harvest only them or a larger stranger that might show up. Nothing smaller. I also manage our lands to make it the best whitetail property possible. I think this so called Trophy Hunter that only kills top animals and does not consume them are far and few between. Personally at this point In my hunting career I need to find, hunt and harvest the best my area has to offer. To just harvest any whitetail buck in the area kinda takes the hunt out of the equation anymore. Not a real tough thing to accomplish. 

  15. 3 hours ago, Doc said:

    I try not to worry too much about why other people hunt. I am just happy that they do hunt. If trophies are your thing that is between you and yourself and not really anyone else's business. If you simply want to hunt regardless of size, that too is just your own business and nobody else's.

    At my age, I have stopped worrying about impressing anyone but myself. I am pretty happy that I can still climb that damned killer hill behind the house and live to tell about it.....lol. The first legal deer that comes along that is not a fawn is in big trouble. i guess that is what my version of a trophy has become. I hope there is no one here that thinks less of me for that.

    Exactly. And if someone has three 130in bucks wandering their property then that will be their trophy. The whole Trophy vs Meat Hunter to me never held water. I won’t kill a buck unless it’s a mature trophy for my area and I don’t always kill a buck every year. But I do fill everyone’s freezer that I need to fill. And when I do kill that trophy I get even more meat then most because it will weigh 170lbs plus most times. 

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  16. 32 minutes ago, Grouse said:

    Not if you pass up all the deer you could've shot for meat while waiting for a trophy that may not get tagged this tear.  And not if you don't fill doe tags.  Very few trophy hunters will put 3 deer in the freezer during rifle season.

    Why do you think guys that hunt for the best in their area would not fill doe tags?  For the most part that must be done if you want mature bucks on your property. If there is a doe or two for every spike and four pointer around you won’t have much.  Anyone I know will fill their freezers yearly without ever shooting another antlered deer. Very few areas force hunters to shoot small bucks and even so a very short ride would put them in areas with plenty of deer to be had. Of course a trophy in most cases is a mature deer, most mature deer come with bigger headgear and most hunters have mature deer on the property they hunt. The question always come downs to do they have what it takes to hunt that deer being hunter skills or the time and passing of smaller deer while hunting that so called trophy. 

  17. 15 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

    I can relate to that, having gone thru a brief “trophy” stage myself, back before I was married and had kids.  I bought a piece of land that was a smidge over 5 acres, about 1/2 way between our farm and my grandparents farm.  It was in an area known for producing large antlered bucks.  
     

    All went well for a few years, and it was especially nice having that other place, so that I could reduce the hunting pressure on the hundred acres on the other two farms where I had hunted all my life.  Up until the year that I killed (2) “trophies” on it, one on opening day of bow and the other on opening day of gun.  
     

    It was a narrow slice of land, that cut into a large hardwood forrest.  Word got out, and the following season, neighbors put up (3) stands in sight of (and within 100 yards or so) of mine.  I didn’t see a single antlered deer there the following year, but usually at least one hunter, every time I went.  That’s the trouble with small pieces, no matter how good they might seem at first.  
     

    Fortunately, the property had roughly doubled in value in the few years that I owned it and I was able to dump it for much more than I paid.  I used that cash to buy a new tractor and to make improvements on our home farm.  With a few extra hungry mouths to feed, deer hunting has been mostly about the meat for me, for quite a few years now.  

    I find it funny when hunters use the term’s Trophy and meat hunters. You do know that those of us that choose to only kill Trophy mature bucks get just as much if not more meat then those so called meat hunters. Probably More. 

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  18. 46 minutes ago, Hock3y24 said:

    I believe 2 buck tags will always damage the hunting here more than any season length. Pa has an extended season, heck pretty much every state does that has big and good hunting. 

    Yup.  Would have no problem with shorter season and one buck tag.  Hell some want 3 buck tags now that crossbow is a thing. 

  19. 1 hour ago, First-light said:

    So when I was at the processor we were talking about the second rut. He said the yearling Does 7 months old will be bred in December/January. 

    This true? 

    Just read this very interesting about weight. 

    https://deerassociation.com/doe-fawns-breed-good-sign/

    It sure works that way on the farm. I’m sure in healthy herds it also happens in the wild. Fawns born in late May early June have the best chance of getting the needed weight on for sure. 

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  20. 1 hour ago, First-light said:

    I remember reading it was for more opportunity for kids, college students and such having that week off to hunt. I could see my girl doing this one year after Christmas coming to my house to hunt. It always crosses my my mind if I shoot a big doe then you are reducing the herd by probably 3 deer. Totally debatable for sure. 

    Exactly and taking out that mature buck that dropped his rack because of breeding stress or how many BB’s get takin out of the population. Some don’t own land or care out any kind of management and that’s fine. State lands is just a continuation of the onslaught. 

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  21. 4 hours ago, Hock3y24 said:

    DEC already said this hunt has nothing to do with reducing the population. 

    lol. Yeah and if you believe that…….  DEC did not make the season and those that continue to make these early seasons and late seasons do it for one reason only. Population Control. Giving hunters that are left the easiest times to be in the woods. 

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