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    2018 Shed Thread

    in General Hunting

    Posted

    Saw a picture of a urban buffalo set that is supposed to go 2teens w 4 drops. Apparently there were a number of guys running this deer and each other ragged and he knocked his second, quoted to be 119” single side, off while being pursued by the guy who has both haves. He was described to me as being a non hunter and having his 4mo old child in a sling stylecarrier. Yes- I am very aware as to how many inches/feet of antler that is and would say it seems legit. A shed obsessed coworker showed me all the pics. Never realized how addicted people get and how crazy urban areas get related to them.

    I have seen some farm county wNY bucks dropped and others carrying. Valentine’s Day was always when I started to get serious about my searching....perhaps this yr is different.


    Because of you we can’t have nice things.

    Lowering Hunting Age

    in General Hunting

    Posted

    An interesting aspect would be to bring data to the table. A quick query of hunting incidents in NY would not justify any concern for: youth based on performance, would warrant the law to mandate fall protection and would have everyone worried about being shot by Jr totally off your rocker on where real injury/incident frequency lies for our area and country. Then again every hunter’s opinion is where their reality and desires show. Surprised more folks weren’t backing this as they tag twice the number of bucks with a rifle in October as in previous years.


    Because of you we can’t have nice things.

    So why all the articles about CWD making the rounds lately?

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    Here is why there are so many articles on CWD it’s spreading and contrary to what some think it is always fatal to deer. If CWD ever jumps the species barrier to humans it would mean the end of deer hunting. I would google CWD in white tail deer there is some good information out there on CWD.


    And the cdc has already recommended not consuming animals that have tested positive.

    It will have a huge impact whether it is a real disease threat to the herd or people. Look at the DEC and the urine ban sure to come in the name of CWD. For the record I see using deer urine as a tactic of hopeless hunters, however a ban on urine in the name of cwd is a really dumb unfounded idea. We also have an impending lead ban in the name of our health and eagles.

    If political, you don’t need to sway hunters- just the 85% of the population that isn’t a hunter or anti. When we are recreationally killing; game over.


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    TSI work

    in Land Management, Food Plots and QDM

    Posted

    Not trying to be a smart ass here but timber stand improvement and hinge cutting are rarely the same thing. Tsi is for timber quality. Hinge cutting is some deer habitat related deal (screening, browse, bedding, etc). Qdma once said no one should hinge cut a tree unless they know what it is and affects.


    Because of you we can’t have nice things.

    TAKE MY MONEY

    in Bow Hunting

    Posted

    There were a few similar products at the ata. If you’re keeping your range realistic, say 35 yards, that’s 2 or 3 close pins max. Isn’t knowing the yardage as much about aptitude as shooting the bow itself? This seems to be novelty for the ethical whitetail archer and more of a out west elk thing where people “need carbon bows” and measure gear weight in ounces.


    Because of you we can’t have nice things.

    Achievement-oriented Motivations for Deer Hunting

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    So, can't say for sure, but perhaps your NYS license dollars were spared. The study wasn't done with random individuals. It was specifically for "Non-Traditional Path Hunters". If you really care, you can read the details in the report.
    It would be nice if they did a comprehensive survey with all hunters.


    Thanks for the reference. One would assume it’s just or tax dollars being wasted not license dollars.

    I’ve emailed both Cornell and the DEC on their surveys. Mr.Hurst is the limited, but sufficient, sample size data king of anything outdoors. They’re fine with people not completing them but there is not an ice cube’s chance in hell of anyone outside of the random pool participating. Not sure if it was on here or another forum but someone had got the survey who hadn’t purchased a license in a couple yrs.

    Do I think all of these surveys are a waste? Yes. Do I think they’re bs and lies? Moreso than not.


    Because of you we can’t have nice things.

    Wonderful Quote From The Late Charlie Alsheimer

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    I've always noticed that towards the end of a tough season, and after, it gets interesting on here. I can appreciate the emotional investment in the forum however.

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    Not many threads end with doves and olive branches on this forum.

    We have a polarized positions and mob mentality on this forum to like professional wrestling proportions. Keyboard warriors, self proclaimed pros and lots of uneducated “can’t change my Norm” screamers haunt these halls. We even have threadcrapping in classified ads.



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    The future of deer hunting

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    i mentioned this a little and in another thread as well. But yes cultural change is a def issue these days.  I remember those days as well of no one being at school on the gun opener and always taking the first day of trout off.  It was always funny cause in high school they started giving me a hard time about not having a written excuse.  Even the NFL is on a decline for the same reasons (among others) . Change will hapen whether we like it or not and there are so many more options these days for younger people .  The world has gotten a lot smaller with the internet and a whole lot bigger for people at the same time.  


    I think a few posts here mentioned it....

    Good points regardless


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    The future of deer hunting

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    Care to show me where there ever was any Deer or Elk that died from CWD?     Care to explain why they have had to cut the fence at Wind Cave Park 3 times and release Elk into the wild?  Now this is a herd that has tested positive 85% and they are releasing them into the wilds for hunters to harvest?  Wisconsin has more deer now then they had when they found CWD and they were the only state that tried to wipe it out by killing 1000's of deer off. Yet they now have more animals?  


    Here is one example of an abstract on Wyoming mulies. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0186512

    Having good friends outside of Madison who work with deer for an occupation and hunting Illinois myself- numbers have, without a doubt, declined in areas. Substantially. That is the reference I have there.

    I’m not sure why you’re coming on strong regarding this. I simply stated that hearing CWD is spreading and that the CDC says don’t eat that venison will pull us in an awful position as hunters within the activity and view of the public. I’m not cervid pandemic/endemic expert, not do I live in the west. I am concerned about deer hunting though. To leave them lay or lose access to venison myself is a deal breaker.


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    The future of deer hunting

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    It's funny, I was reading some old research from the DEC, like circa 2000, and they were worried about how declining hunter numbers were going to affect their ability to manage deer population and keep the ecosystem in balance.  I don't think CWD would be the silver bullet the DEC is looking for in this regard. How much is the hunters' role in deer population control worth to them? How much can they really do? do better?


    I am not saying the DEC is in favor of CWD. No one wants it.

    There is a a reason coyotes have a limited and difficult trapping season here though. Hunters can not control
    Where they cannot access as well.

    Not trying to stray from the topic here but what does the DEC do regarding deer? They have interns and techs age a few at processors ..... I think the buck stops there. (Some pun intended)


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    The future of deer hunting

    in Deer Hunting

    Posted

    CWD is doing nothing anywhere and never will. We had it here back in 2005 with no other cases.    For years they were saying it was a folded prion and now they are saying that its caused by an infection?    So many wasted lives and unneeded killings.  CWD has never killed a deer. 


    I agree with a lot of what you said except it’s trashing some mule deer herds, spreading to elk and states like Wisconsin have more testing positive each yr. The dec is throwing out their proposed urine ban as a means to limit it spreading (which makes no sense and, as you stated, is not even warranted). Then again we have had Ehd here too and never hear about it and a lead ammo ban is likely in the next 5 and we don’t have condors in NY.

    Is cwd spreading and killing deer in other states? Yes. Is the cdc saying test deer and don’t eat positive result animal material? Yes. Is that an issue here in NY? Not yet. Could that be a spin that toppled the deer hunting tower in the eyes of Joe & Jane public to shoot first and maybe eat it? I hope we never find ourselves there answering that.


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