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The 2023 Legislative Session is scheduled to end on June 8th. These final few weeks is when 90% of all legislation will be moved to the Assembly and Senate Floor for votes.
Now is the time to make sure we reach out to the EnCon Committee members and Leadership in both the Assembly and Senate, your legislators and the bill sponsors to move Crossbow Legislation, A2940 & S3191, to the floor for a vote. But time is limited and IMMEDIATE ACTION is imperative!
Some of the oppositions past friends are no longer in Albany, giving us the opportunity to show the vast support for crossbow inclusion that exists. But this will take everyone, and I mean EVERYONE to reach out TODAY!
I know there are many that believe we can not overcome NYB's efforts. That is only because of their HYPE. The fact is, NYB membership has consistently shrunk since 2005. Their financial reports from 2005 through 2020 indicate their membership income from membership has declined by at least 54%, while NY Crossbow Coalition's 2019 income from membership exceeded NYB's 2005 income from membership. Although there are many factors that prevent a direct correlation from membership income to total membership, it does show the trend in their support vs ours.
Don't believe the NYB chest pounding rhetoric! NYCC membership far outnumbers NYB membership. Why are they perceived to be so big? Besides having had entrenched allies in Albany for a couple of decades, NYB's diminishing membership is LASER FOCUSED on contacting legislators when needed. And not just 25% of them. ALL OF THEM!
Crossbow supporters need to
SPEAK UP IN UNISON NOW!We Need EVERYONE to follow the appropriate link, resident or non-resident, below and submit your support letter. These letters will be delivered to the Leadership, all of the EnCon Committee members, the bill sponsors and your representatives in both the Assembly and Senate!
After submitting your letters, please follow up with a phone call to the offices of the Leadership, Encon Chairs and Bill Sponsors, requesting passage of A2940 & S3191 before the end of the session!
NY Residents use this link.
newyorkcrossbowcoalition.salsalabs.org/salsa-a2490-s3191Non NY Residents use this link
newyorkcrossbowcoalition.salsalabs.org/salsa-a2490-s3191copy1After submitting your letters, please take the time to call the following offices and request bills A2940 & S3191 are reported out of committee to the floor for a vote.
Senate President - Andrea Stewart-Cousins 518-455-2585
Assembly Speaker - Carl Heastie 518-455-3791
Senate EnCon Chair - Pete Harckham 518-455-2340
Assembly EnCon Chair - Deborah Glick 518-455-4841
S3191 Bill Sponsor - John Mannion 518-455-3511
A2940 Bill Sponsor - Carrie Woerner 518-455-5404
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On 8/12/2018 at 9:48 AM, jmark said:
Something that helps to get the arrows out is to wax the arrows prior to shooting. If you don't have one. get an arrow puller from the shop. The help you get a better grip than your bare hand. If you can figure out how to hang the target off the ground, that can also help slow penetration, as the target moving upon impact dissipates some of the energy.
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23 hours ago, dbHunterNY said:
rick, any thoughts of going to bigger county fairs where reps aren't supporting legislation? kids can use a kiddy crossbow to pop a balloon and win some small prize or not if help is really ambitious. our Upper Hudson River Valley QDMA branch had got lots of interest and eyeballs on the poaching bill that passed at the three fairs we've setup at. i understand help is hard to find though.
There is a limited amount of time and resources to be able to take on County Fairs at this time. If someone wants to take on setting up at an event, they can reach out to us and we can discuss it. [email protected]
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6 hours ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:
Will there even be an attempt next year after so many years of no movement?
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOf course there will be, It took over 25 years to get the season we have now. We gained legislators supporting full inclusion and NYCC grew by 20% in 2016. Things will never change if we give up now.
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8 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:
Any word on full inclusion?
The legislative session ended in late June and there was no movement this year
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2 hours ago, moog5050 said:
Yes and open season should be limited to self forged barrels, hand made receivers and stocks with bullets constructed by the hunter. Riiigghttt
I have no objection to crossbows but people seem to lose common sense and therefore credibility when statements like this are made. Same with doc wanting to introduce firearms in gun season. The slope ain’t that slippery boys.
And of course crossbows are easier to shoot than compounds which are easier than trad bows. So what. But again to argue otherwise one loses credibility.
I am with big Val. Waste of time reading this stuff.
Reading this I can understand what you are getting at moog. I am taking things to extremes to try and make points of how silly some of the comments are, but in doing so I am stooping to the levels of those I am trying to point out how ridiculous their statements are, but really what difference does it make.
To answer the poll one more time, YES I Fully Support Crossbow Full Inclusion!
The rest of this dribble is useless. Enough Said, Carry on folks!
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15 minutes ago, Belo said:
Why can’t you answer the question?
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhat difference would it make? I am not promoting crossbow because of the ease or difficulty. I promote crossbow to grow hunters and hopefully keep hunting alive for my grandchildren to enjoy.
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1 minute ago, Storm914 said:
I don't have a problem with guys who do that having there own season either .
Yep, they get the bow season and all other implements are jumbled together.
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6 minutes ago, Belo said:
what's yours?
To me it is not an issue of ease. If easy is the benchmark, then archery season should be for self made bows only, no synthetic or man made materials, no recurves, self made arrows and self knapped arrow heads using real feathers attached with hide blue and wrapped like the indigenous people made. Why isn't being a bowyer part of the program?
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6 minutes ago, Belo said:
so it's the same? Nobody is answering my question... and hanging their hat on it.
Jason Luck wrote, "I used a crossbow for the first time last year and for me it was not easier. "
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3 minutes ago, Storm914 said:
Maybe or Not enough paid for them to vote for it those guys all want favors to get something done up there
Well since I know we haven't paid anything, according to you, someone must have given them something to keep it from getting any traction
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27 minutes ago, Belo said:
i never saw this poll on this site or heard about it, never saw an alert from NYBH. The fact that you know about it has me thinking it was sent to nycc members and probably similar to a fox news poll and its membership.
FYI,
You are entitled to your opinion on this, no matter how wrong you are. I myself did not reply as this is not my senator. I did not forward it to our membership. I am fairly positive NYB received a copy of it from me if I did as I know they have trolls on our email list and they receive every correspondence I send.
I know there are NYB officers in the Senators district and those individuals would have received it directly from him. Blame them and the other NYB leadership if they did not get it to you, not me.You are more than welcome to keep track of what we send our membership by signing up for our emails! Email Sign up form
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9 minutes ago, Belo said:
so it's harder? You're hanging your hat on that?
Jason Luck wrote, "I used a crossbow for the first time last year and for me it was not easier. "
The only use of the word HARDER is in your reply!
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1 hour ago, airedale said:
That is exactly right except for the don't give a rat's ass comment as everyone here is conveniently forgetting the more than a few squirrel, rabbit, coon, grouse, woodcock and pheasant hunters who have been getting the short shaft for decades. Why is it do you think that the small game hunting in this state has become almost non existent from what it once was when I was a young man.Their seasons are directly affected and have virtually been destroyed especially on public lands by the greed of Deer hunters extending their seasons through virtually all of the small game seasons. On private land forget it, how many here who own private land would grant permission to a small game hunter?
The first thing out of a Deer hunters mouth when they have small game hunters using the same lands is that they are ruining their hunt. Ask a Beagler or Bird hunter or even Squirrel hunters why they are not hunting public land during deer season even though they have every right to be out there? Too bad for the poor small game hunter they can get their shot during January and February when the snow is up to their armpits.
I want to see every hunter's opinion on crossbows all 600,000 and not matter what kind of hunting they do because all are affected.
That is being Democratic and fair and all should be demanding that no hunting group be left out on the outcome, why would anyone be against every hunter having a voice unless they have something to fear.
Just a reminder it was also assumed that Hillary was going to be our next president!
Like I said let the chips fall where they may, I for one will abide by the outcome.
Al
How will they guarantee all lifetime license holders are heard from when their tags are mailed to them and they don't have to pick them up at a licensing agent? Why stop at hunting license purchasers? What about hikers, bird watchers, foliage viewers, dog walkers, bike riders, horse back riders and all other people this will affect across the state be included in the Democratic process you advocate for?
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10 hours ago, Storm914 said:
You no how it works In Albany
They say show me the money
Are you implying crossbow full inclusion is not happening because those opposed to it have paid to stop it?
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27 minutes ago, Jdubs said:
Last I knew standard deviations are commonly cited in survey results and you can't just scoop all of the unsures into one side of the equation. So taken as a whole, full inclusion looks to be preferred by better than half of the respondents, but less than a 2:1 margin as our casual forum poll shows. Either way, the Legislators in Albany move the needle when money changes hands, not from survey results.
The 29% support for a "traditional" archery season also mixes in that this would be regulated by the DEC. I wonder what the response rate would be to having the DEC make and enforce all of the hunting regulations, leaving the Legislature out of it?
Totally understand you points, but also take into consideration, the poll here does not break down the detail that the Senators does.
His original question shows 66% support expansion, and 19% oppose. Yet 52% support full inclusion and 29% support DEC regulation with separate "Traditional Archery" season which adds up to 81% support some form of "Expansion" although only 52% support full inclusion. The purpose for posting the Senators poll is because people here said this poll means nothing to legislators. I merely posted another poll from a Legislator that shows the numbers are not exact, but trend in the same direction.
If the DEC was permitted to regulate as they should, Full Inclusion would have already been here as indicated in their 5 year deer palns and also in their NYS DEC Department requested Bill S5301- 1
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1 minute ago, airedale said:
ABSOLUTELY!!!
How many others would also be willing to pay? Not just those here, but across the board? My money is on the fact people would oppose it.
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2 minutes ago, airedale said:
Sorry I do not buy into that theory for one second, sounds like pure laziness to me. With today's technology a good computer programing-software company should easily be able to come up with a way to answer an important question that concerns all 600,000 hunting licence purchasers and participants. Whatever outfit that furnishes the licence software to get it done no excuses.
Believe what you want. Are you willing to add a dollar to your license to pay for the survey? nobody works for free.
URGENT "PHONE CALLS NEEDED IMMEDIATELY"!!!
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PLEASE CALL THE SPEAKER OF THE ASSEMBLY'S OFFICE AND REQUEST THEY MOVE BILL A6815 TO THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE!!
There are only a few hours left before they end the session for 2023. Please don't put this off, there is no telling when they will conclude!