Untwisted Pretzel logic

This is a repost of mine from last year: Haven't fished there in many years. Had good luck behind the bowling alley in town (not sure if it's even there any more or if you can access the river from there). Used an 8' ugly stick and a good reel like a diawa bg, spooled with trilene XT in 14# or 17# test in green. As stated earlier, you need to be bouncing near the bottom. I think the regs were 2' between the weight and your hook. I used a #2 salmon egg hook with a piece of pink or orange sponge covering the hook. A pink or orange curly tail grub as mentioned earlier will also work. Here's something that will save you a lot of time and rigs - tie your main line to a good barrel swivel and leave about a 6" tag end or so hanging from your knot. From the other side of your barrel swivel tie your leader that's attached to the hook. Now, remember the 6" tag end - that's where you will crimp your split shot. Get some good size split shot (PSS-2 or similar)) and use enough 1, or 2 or even 4 if necessary to get you ticking the bottom. Cast upstream and toward the middle of the river and take up the slack as your rig tumbles toward you in the current. You will get hung up from time to time, however, no big deal as you can either pull free or lose just your split shot. This is a technique that was always successful for me. Hopefully, I explained it ok. Good luck and have fun - there's nothing more exciting than fighting salmon in the current.

You're not alone. I'm sure many go through the same process trying to find what works, whether it be hunting equipment or fishing stuff. I used to be bad that way with fishing lures. My wife considers it wasteful spending - me, I call it "research".

I use small (1" to 1 1/8"), fixed heads. Slick trick or Muzzy, always did the job if I did mine. I did try a NAP expandable twice with my cross bow. Had a weird result. The deer spun around 180 degrees and bolted about 50 yards before piling up. Never had that happen before; deer generally go in the direction that they are facing after the hit. Can't say anything bad about the results of the NAPs, just that something out of the ordinary happened.

Thanks for the unpleasant memory of my first PSE bow (I think it had plastic coated steel cables) Except the burn was more like a hard slap - OUCH!!!! is right. 60# was bad, but you are right, 150# is something no one should ever mess with.

OK I get what you meant to say now. Thanks for the explanation. Also, thanks for the laugh - calling me Jr. and then saying you don't want a pissing match. I'll let it go, as you are probably a nice guy and things get misconstrued in writing. Please have a good day. I'll let you or anyone else have the last word(s), as I'm done on this topic.

You didn't make any point. O.K. - at best you show how little you know and if true, you killed a hawk, which is criminal. Deer and rabbits are nowhere near similar. Deer reproduce one per year and have one or two offspring. Rabbits once a month and dozens each time. Legal season to hunt coyotes. Hawks are protected and not something anyone should even begin to consider harming. So you are wrong on each side of your equation. Please stop;because if your story is true, you have dug a deep enough hole for yourself already.

Wow. Did I read this right? You are equating a hawk to a coyote and a rabbit to a deer? Wrong on both sides; but illegal and criminal in the case of shooting a hawk.

Cool Thanks for the trip report and the pics. I have the same hornbeck. One of the best things I ever brought. Lake Lila?

Another good alternative to plant in an open area is a mountain ash tree. Grows fast and bears a lot of berry clusters that the deer love. Also not related to the ash trees that are affected by the emerald ash borer.

I'm only a member here. Nothing against anyone at the other site. Actually, I do go over there occasionally to see how Wolc is doing. I find his posts to be interesting and believe he is a genuinely nice guy, as are many of the others at that site. The one thing that I found most curious at the other site, is that a so-called Moderator may have totally fabricated a story about some kid's comments about crossbows after he supposedly let the kid shoot one of his crossbows. This was to reinforce his anti-cross bow narrative; and as expected it created the usual back and forth bs. Maybe the story was true, however much I doubt it. Either way - I always thought site moderators were supposed to keep the bs and bickering to a minimum and not create more of it; however, this was something different to see. I don't post much here, only when I can add to a discussion or provide useful information. Best wishes and good luck with whatever you do.

Got the same as Fast Eddie. 5,10,15&20. A few years after I got the 20, they stopped sending me the surveys. Don't know if they have a 25 patch?

LOL That's an interesting statement, I'll give you that. If Turkeys had a sense of smell on par with that of a deer, you would have difficulty hunting them. The thing they do have; is the ability to store in the memory of their little walnut size brain, the location of a call that sounds like another turkey. They will make their way back to that call at some future point in time. If a hunter is patient and motionless, the hunter will see that turkey come close. I'm sure there are many statements out there, as to how hard it is to get a turkey. People buy books and magazines telling them what to do to outwit one, which is laughable to me. I will stand by my statement, which I know to be true based on my experience: if there are turkeys nearby, the only thing that will keep one from coming close to your setup (call,decoy, camouflage blind) is another hunter doing something nearby that will totally screw you up. You will not see that printed in too many places, as that is not something that will sell books or magazines, but it is something any turkey hunter should know.

Yes, makes a lot of sense. Spend thousand$ to hunt one of the dumbest things walking around in the woods. If there are turkeys around, the only thing that will keep you from getting one in close is other hunters bumbling around nearby screwing things up. If you're trying to get one silently, just use a crossbow.

Great picture and story. Nice family memory from a time before electronics, all day sits in elevated treestands and all the other modern day gadgets. That buck or any buck was something to be proud of back in the day and should be celebrated even today. Thanks for posting. PS - Also thanks to Antlers for posting. I love seeing family hunting pictures.

They've been exposed for who they are. All done in fishing tourneys and sponsor $. Beyond what the court hit them with, they have been hit with something worse - shame and ridicule in the arena that they made their livelihood; their careers are done. Now known forever as cheaters and total losers.

I'm happy that you have good success shooting domestic turkey with a rifle. Also, happy that any chance that NYS will make this type of thing legal are hopefully close to zero. In any case, I'm with chrisw; in that I'd rather be fishing than turkey hunting, so I don't do it any more. However, I hope anyone that does hunt is safe doing it. You should take this beyond the absurd and start a thread about waterfowl hunting with a rifle. I think Alaska may allow this, so there's a start LOL

LOL There is no comparison between deer hunting safety protocol/regulations and turkey hunting. Please know that blaze orange is required for deer hunting with any firearm including one capable of firing a projectile that can travel over a mile. Tactics for turkey require concealment, no blaze orange, therefore, more risk from someone shooting from a distance at movement or a realistic decoy. You want facts. Look at incidents where hunters that are not wearing blaze orange during rifle season are shot. Blaze orange laws are there for a reason. The cases are there for you to look and see, no ears required. Have a good day and always hunt safely.

No theory, fact -turkey hunters do not wear blaze orange in NYS while hunting; it is not required and full camo is the best strategy to success. This combined with other factors that I provided above, make turkey hunting one of the most inherently dangerous forms of hunting. Provide us with your facts from the other states that allow rifles. I would love to see them Also provide context, for example in Florida rifles are not allowed in WMAs, so mostly on private property. Again, as crazy as things are in NYS, I don't think rifles for turkey will ever happen. Thank God for that, as one death is one too many just to shoot a turkey with a rifle. PS This site just notified me that I've been promoted to a collaborator LOL. Don't know if I should be proud or worried, isn't a collaborator similar to a conspirator?

It's good that you're cautious. My turkey vest had a blaze orange square that I wasshowing when I moved. One other point that I should have added above , is that most farm fields are sloped down at the edges . So if you are in the woods sitting and shooting at a bird in the field, your shot will be at an upward angle and will travel a long way past with a rifle to where you can't see. Also if someone is shooting with a rifle in the field towards the woods, the bullet will travel down toward an unseen hunter and could be tragic. That's all I have on this topic. Be safe.

NYS deer rifle accidents are lowest ever in large part due to the blaze orange rule. Everything else I listed above for turkey hunting also applies, however blaze orange is a big factor to be considered. Best of luck and be safe.

This is completely true, however... As it stands now, the property safety protocols are not in place in NY if you want to turkey hunt with a rifle projectile that will travel much further than #4 shot from let's say a 3.5" magnum shotgun which will drop off past 60 yards. First, turkey hunters are head to toe in camo, no blaze orange - I think turkeys can see color well, so blaze orange would not be embraced by any turkey hunters. You probably know some rifle hunters that are crazy enough to not wear blaze orange even though deer don't see the orange, however, there is a reason this is the safety protocol regulation in NYS during deer firearm seasons. Finally, many turkey hunters use realistic decoys and calls, which unless you are close - say shot gun range, some hunters may not be aware of what they are shooting at and what is hiding in camo behind it. This is another one of those hypothetical musings that has zero chance of happening in NYS. I don't hunt turkeys any more, but I used to get one every spring and the enjoyment/sport came from calling them within shotgun range. Best of luck to thosethat turkey hunt and stay safe.

Now if they would all start selling this for $90, your prayers would be answered LOL. I'm not looking for any special seasons, just waiting for things to warm up a little bit so I can get out fishing. Caught between ice fishing and open water fishing right now. In the meantime, thanks Phantom for the fun discussion.

To provide context - Crossbow and archery technology were fairly constant from the 7th century until the mid 20th century when vertical bow technology took a giant leap forward with cams, release aids, etc. Until that point both crossbows and vertical bows were both primitive weapons. Crossbow technology borrowed the advanced cams developed for vertical bows for improved efficiency. Just some history, I don't think we want to go further off the rails discussing how modern compound bows are primitive weapons. Your last sentence is 100 percent correct- if there was a change involving single shot shotguns, which I believe that possibility to be closer to zero percent.

At least one is available now. Made by Henry with a MSRP of $619. I don't think they care about any special season when they make their guns.

You're about 40 years too late