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That’s the thing about tracking wounded game: you can make educated assumptions about the condition of the animal, but you won’t know for sure until you get eyes on it.
So I intend to only use a pistol if I suspect the animal is seriously wounded. But if i get on site and the animal is still up and mobile, I need a cartridge with some umph to put it down. That’s why I’m mostly focused on the magnum pistol cartridges.
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What kind of hunting loads are available for 10mm?
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SteveD, I’m not considering .40s&w. I might use it if I was in a pinch, but it’s ballistics are hardly comparable to a high end hunting .357 cartridge.
.40s&w might work for deer, but I wouldn’t trust it to work consistently on bear.
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Wolc123, I probably will test fire a .44 magnum just to get a feel for it. That said, the recoil on it (especially for hunting loads) seems significant based on the reviews and videos I’ve seen.
Like I said earlier, I know i could deal with the recoil, but if I could accomplish the same goal without that recoil that would be my preference.
It doesn’t seem that this cartridge is one that I’d want to practice extensively with. I’ve heard a lot of comments about how shooting more than a few rounds can be uncomfortable. I place a high priority on shoot-ability for target practice.
Moreover the greater the recoil, the longer it takes for me to re-acquire a sight picture for follow up shots.
I’m certainly not afraid to handle something like a .44 magnum. I’ve dealt with big recoil before. But I do question if it will be as practical for what I’m trying to do.
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I have hunted with both 357 and 44 mag handguns and I like both calibers a lot but with the criteria you have come up with I would strongly lean to a 44 mag.
Al
Al, I’ve seen similar advice on other websites. I do understand that .44
Mag offers much better energy delivery. And I’ve seen a lot of people recommend it for bear (brown) defense and handgun hunting for that reason.
But I’ve heard it also kicks quite hard. I’m sure I could learn to deal with the greater recoil, but all other things being equal, I will likely shoot better and faster with a lower recoil cartridge.
The .44 mag platforms also seem heavier, especially those in 4”-6” barrels. I know the added heft will help tame the recoil, but a pistol of lower weight would be my preference, especially for long foot movements.
So I realize there are other cartridges that are more capable for such uses. I’m trying to find one that is good enough, while also giving me lighter recoil and better portability. I’ve seen several Chuckhawks articles describe .357 as a minimum, but acceptable, brown bear defensive cartridge. If it’s good enough for handling a brown bear, albeit in a defensive manner, should it not be more than adequate for a wounded black bear?
If i think the animal I’m after is only marginally wounded, I’m not going to bother with a pistol at all.
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Op, read the firearm manual; if it doesn’t mention anything about initial barrel cleaning/breakin, I wouldn’t worry about it.
There is a fellow who teaches long range precision shooting in the Finger Lakes (former USMC Scout Sniper by the name of Curt Drewel). He said that all the recommendations about detailed cleaning regimens for brand new barrels were hyped up. He advised just shooting the barrel and then running some oil patches through it afterwards.
Bore solvents really aren’t needed for a bolt action until it’s seen hundred of rounds. You actually want some amount of fouling to remain present in order to maintain better shot consistency. Mind you, these recommendations are geared towards precision target shooters, but there should be some applicability to hunting rifles.
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Well then a 357 with a heavy for caliber bullet (170 grains on up ) will do you just fine.a gp- 100 will handle any hot load you can throw at it, plus it’s heavy enough to soke up some recoil. And I second what dinsdal said about a chest rig..
Thanks. And yeah, I agree with you and dinsdal that a good chest rig will be in order as well. I’ve been looking at diamond custom’s guide chest rig....it’s pricey but I like how it can be customized and arranged to a specific user’s needs. I’ve heard a lot of good reviews too.
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Just curios, have you shot any of the bigger calibers ?
I have not. That’s why I’m seeking feedback. I’d prefer to go with a cartridge that is suitable rather than one that is overkill.
If I can get the job done without having to deal with a .44 magnum recoil, that would suit me just fine.
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In my opinion carrying a sidearm for the purpose of dispatching wounded game isn’t worth it. If you want it for protection Incase you get separated from your rifle I would suggest a small 9mm semi.
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In my experience and the experiences of other trackers, it is worth having a pistol, or at least the option of one. I’ve trudged through some pretty atrocious terrain where a long gun is quite a burden to carry around.
This isn’t a protection pistol but rather for dispatching wounded game; that’s why I’m looking heavily at the magnum pistol cartridges. 9mm isn’t even a consideration for my purposes.
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I'm looking for feedback on which pistol cartridges are ideal for dispatching black bear and deer.
I need a good sidearm to carry along for tracking and dispatching wounded game. I will always rely on a rifle or shotgun if I believe the animal's wounds are marginal. But for those situations where the animal's wounds are fatal but it life still lingers, I would like a reliable, widely available and effective pistol cartridge for dispatching it.
The cartridges I am considering for this application:
- .357 magnum
- 10mm auto
- .44 magnum
- .41 magnum
- .454 casull
I would prefer a revolver for its simplicity and reliability for shooting big cartridges. As well, I really don't see the need for anything more than 6-8 shot capacity for this use. That said, I would consider a semi-auto if the case for 10mm's usefulness can be made.
With regards to the magnum cartridges and bears: I've seen a lot of people preach that "bigger is better." And while I acknowledge that something like a .44 magnum or .454 casull are well-regarded for killing big game, I would prefer a cartridge that is adequate for handling black bear rather than one that is overkill, if that makes sense. I have given .357 magnum much consideration for this reason.
I would like to hear feedback from those that have experience with these cartridges, or perhaps others that I haven't considered.
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Link to DEC website: 2017 Bear Harvest
Cliff notes:
Southern Zone harvest was about the same as it was in years past (upwards of 1k), and has greatly increased over the last 2 decades.
Northern Zone harvest has stayed relatively flat over the last 2 decades and 2017's harvest of 383 was down quite a bit from the previous year's take (likely due in part to the unusually warm weather and late season foliage).
I really would like to see the DEC examine the expansion of hunting opportunities for the Northern Zone (hounds, bait). The success rate seems very low up there due to the nature of the terrain.
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On 2/22/2018 at 7:53 AM, WNYBuckHunter said:
Im not saying most people down there arent friendly, theres just some seriously backwards hillbillies down that way. Ive spent a ton of time in different areas of Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida, and there just seem to be certain areas where its very stereotypical, and that area is one of them. Lots of sister-cousins, etc.
Okay, but there are 'backwards' people everywhere.
Just recently we had some idiot hunting after sunset who killed that female hiker near the PA border: Hunting Accident.
Pretty much every time I've gone hunting in the Finger Lakes area, I've heard gunshots well before sunrise and well after sunset. I'm not excusing the negligence of this guy down in NC, but I think we have the same type of problems up here as they do down there.
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1 hour ago, WNYBuckHunter said:
I go down there for work, just a couple of towns over. You should see some of the people down there. Its like Deliverance.
Really? I spent plenty of time in the south, to include rural areas. Generally I found that people were friendly and civilized to you as long you were friendly and civilized in return.
As for a dips$%t shooting at unconfirmed targets in the woods, NY has had its fair share of that as well. I don't think this is a North vs South thing.
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I do think NY's landscape is very beautiful and great to hunt in. You either have rolling farm country or densely vegetated woodlands. I think out west, you do get more sweeping panoramic landscapes, which I guess some people prefer. Not that I haven't appreciated my visits out west, but I'm partial to the landscape and climate of the northeast...water is overly abundant here whereas it is quickly becoming a rare commodity in parts of the west.
For hunting access, I think it's relative. Compared to west I think NY's hunting access is mediocre at best; that's less indicative of a problem with NY and more indicative of the fact that there is so much public land to hunt on out west. Compared to the rest of the northeast, though excepting parts of Canada, NY's land access is unrivaled. I only say that because of the extensive public lands that we have in the Northern Zone (ADK's and Tug Hill) and Central NY (Catskills).
The hunter pressure on public lands in western NY is a bit of a challenge to deal with. You either need to get into the early season (bow, muzzle loader) or get access to private lands to avoid the crowds.
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IMSA is where it's at nowadays. The cars are beefed-up versions of the road-going BMW's, Corvette's and Porsche's and the racing is much more technical, and more interesting to watch IMO.
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21 hours ago, rachunter said:
That's not nature if it was a coyote or other natural animal i'd of sat back and watched in awe and excitement. Domestic dogs are man made and should be kept under control.I'd would have scared it off.jmo
It may not be natural to the human eye, but for many dogs it does seem to come naturally to them....I'm arguing semantics, I know.
And if you think about where dogs came from and how they were historically employed, and still are in some cases, it does make sense. Hunger aside, many dogs will instinctively chase after a moving object as part of their prey/hunt drives. A thrown toy stimulates that drive; a running deer does so even more.
Owners need to have their dogs under control when around wildlife, or have their dogs broken off non-target species.
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18 hours ago, goosifer said:
what brand and model is it?
Garmin Inreach Explorer (used to be made by Delorme).
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6 hours ago, Storm914 said:
I don't us a iPhone but I keep mine cell phone in the inside of my jacket near my body it stays warm and only take it out when I have to i would think you could do the same with the iPhone . So that cold would not have much or any effect on it . I am not sure why anyone would have it out of the warmth of there inner jacket pocket long enough for Cold to effect it you look at it put it in you jacket and walk 10 or so minutes before checking again if even that much most people I would imagine have a pretty good sense of diretion enough so that they would not need to look at a gps every second at least I don't . I mean if the inner part of your jacket is getting that cold means you would be freezing and not wearing the right cloths and got even bigger problems to worry about then just batterys.
All right, maybe your phone works just fine for you. But for other people the dedicated GPS units make sense...there certainly is a big difference in durability and all-weather capabilities.
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On 12/24/2017 at 9:17 AM, Storm914 said:
I always here a lot of new and even old hunters saying they don't have time to hunt as much as they would like because they only good places open to hunting are far away from where they live .
My idea is why not give big land owners and farmers the option to open up parts of there land to public hunting for a tax break or even the state could lease from them the land to be used for the hunting season . Also new York State could have a extra permit for a fee for hunters that wanted to hunt that leased land .this way it would cost them nothing and maybe would even generate more revenue for them.
Ok now tell me why my idea is crazy let's here it
This already happens in a sense. They're called conservation easements. Many big land owners (often times timber companies) will set up easements with the state for the public to use (to include hunting and fishing). I think for reasons of liability and economics, it really only makes sense for big-time land owners. For the random farmer who might own a few hundred acres, the reward may not outweigh the hassle and intrusion, especially considering that any random stranger can use a conservation easement.
For access to good hunting farmland in western and southern NY, you're best bet is getting permission or finding a good lease. I hear old-timers talk all the time about the good old days when they used to be able to hunt their neighbor's land without any problems. I think we live in a different society now.
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On 1/16/2018 at 11:53 AM, Storm914 said:
I would not trust any water proof electronic device if i were you i put mine in a drybag the 7 is supposed to be water proof to under 3 feet of water . I still don't trust it and use a water proof case phone marine Drybag .
The GPS unit I have is waterproof and is made to be as robust as the GPS units I used in the military. Obviously, I don't go out of my way to throw it in water or damage it. But when I have my GPS unit out in bad weather or when I drop it accidentally, which does happen sometimes, I don't have any concern about it malfunctioning. I don't have that same faith in a mobile phone...they just aren't made to be as robust, plain and simple.
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8 hours ago, Storm914 said:
I was out this morning using my phone GPS it was 0 out worked fine and there is no cell service where I was at can't speak for the iPhone could be something to do with the settings of the phone or the app you are running on it .
I would ask a Apple expert about that if I were you. Knowing Apple they probably want you to buy some special app from them to get the GPS to work right on it
All I know that on Samsung 6 and now my 7 the thing works always every place I go even used it out west a while back and hiking in the alps Italy France Greece Croatia Caribbean Canada . In a plane at altitude on a boat in the ocean .
How accurate is your GPS my phone will get me with in 10 or 20 feet of something .
I read that these news ones on phones are down to a foot
Mine could be that accurate probably but to save the battery I have it set to normal settings . Don't really need it to be more then 10/20 feet of anything
Yes, but the point is how long will your phone last in 0 weather? The answer is: not long. Cell phone batteries drain rapidly in the cold. Cell phones, including your samsung 7 are not waterproof nor dustproof. Neither is my iphone. My Garmin Inreach and other dedciated GPS units are. They are more robust units, and are meant to endure hard abuse. Cell phones simply aren't as rugged, and that bares true regardless of which brand we're talking about.
I'm glad to hear that your phone has worked on an airplane and on some hikes in Europe and Canada. The point is, when I hit rough terrain and bad weather conditions, I'm not going to rely on my cellphone to navigate. I carry my iphone, which does have GPS, on most hunts, but I always have my GPS and map and compass as well. Navigation aside, my GPS unit also functions as an emergency communicator and beacon, something current cellphones can't do outside of cell coverage.
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19 hours ago, Storm914 said:
Yes it works all the same I have the Samsung 7 I also used it over the Atlantic Ocean to Europe and on cruises to the Caribbean it worked even at 30,000 feet and in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean .
The technology in these phones is incredible.
I mean if you already have a good GPS not saying don't use it just saying if you don't , and have a high end cell phone you don't need A exstra gps .
The ones on the new phones are incredible
Here is a screen shot of the track
Maybe the Samsung is different from the iphone then, because I've tried to get a GPS signal on my phone in the middle of ADK wilderness and it didn't work.
GPS accuracy aside, I don't think any mobile phone on the market, including the Samsung 7 is anywhere close to an outdoor GPS in terms of reliability and robustness. Using your phone on a plane is one thing; using your phone in -20 weather or pouring rain is something else all together. I personally would not rely on a phone to navigate in the deep woods, especially on an extended trip.
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20 hours ago, Lawdwaz said:
I’ll gladly tote my binoculars on any deer hunt.
Maybe you’re interested in killing any deer while I’d like to confirm if what I’m looking at is a buck or doe and if a buck, I want to know what I’m shooting.
YMMV
I like to know what I'm shooting at as well. At 50 yards, I can usually determine my target well enough with the naked eye. As well, once I've determined the type of animal I'm looking at, I have a nifty little tool called a scope that I can use to get a magnified view of the animal and assess it for age and gender.
YMMV.
Glassing, as a hunting technique, seems much more suited to the open terrain of western US and Canada. From what I understand, it involves spending hours, sometimes days, on a high terrain feature looking for quarry, usually with a high power spotting scope or bino. What you're describing doesn't really sound like 'glassing,' but rather it sounds like you're using your bino's to briefly scan a few areas and maybe confirm a target. I really don't see any utility in glassing in the ADK's, at least not in the traditional sense of the term.
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On 1/13/2018 at 5:33 AM, Lawdwaz said:
That there is priceless.
It’s going to be a long winter.......
I'm quite sincere in my question. In most areas of the ADK's, you're lucky if you're taking anything longer than 100 yard shots. This past fall, the foliage was up well into the season and anything beyond 50 yards seemed unlikely. Bino's, and glassing, just don't seem all too relevant to that type of hunting. If I have to pick and choose, I can think of other things I'd rather bring on an ADK hunt.
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I disagree. Animals, certainly black bears, can take a whole lot more punishment before going down. It doesn’t take much to put a human down by comparison.
And I really don’t know of any units that rely on .22lr as a primary sidearm cartridge. There are better ones out there.
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