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  1. 14 hours ago, stubborn1VT said:

    I tried some air layering on a number of apple trees last year.  I had one root successfully out of 24 attempts.  Not very good results.  I plan to try again this spring with a few tweaks, but I'm definitely ordering some trees from a nursery as well.  I wasn't thrilled with my experience Stark Brothers, so I guess I will be researching others in the Northeast.

    What hardiness zone are You in? What are you looking to plant?

  2. On 2/20/2018 at 8:55 PM, G-Man said:

    Be careful if planting with pines..they carry apple rust  disease..

    Agree G-man there's a grove of cedars in the bedding area not 60 yards in the other direction in which picture was taken. I went to this tree today to cut some scion and not much luck I got some but was hoping for a lot. I should have been a little smarter and trimmed a branch back on it last year:(

  3. 51 minutes ago, sailinghudson25 said:

    From what little we see of the timber around there, it looks a little cramped.   Competing tree should of been thinned out a few years ago.  Take the reject and use them for funneling areas.  Even a spot or two away from the plot, to make a bedding area.

    I've had just as much success making bedding areas as I have making food for deer.   Especially if you are competing with a neighbor who manages their property for deer.  Also, just managing the forest in a fashion where you make a more denser line of trees can be really helpful during bow season.  Give the understory some more light in a line and the deer will use it.

    IF you do harvest trees or do any other tree work, try to do it in the winter if it can be done safely then.  You will be provide them with food if you do it in january or February.  That use to be my goto move for muzzleloader season in NY.  Cut down a few trees last week of rifle, then come back in a few days and cut the branches laying higher up on the felled tree.  

    All great ideas! I do love making bedding areas too! I need more land!

  4. 9 hours ago, LET EM GROW said:

    Also, if you can try and "release" that tree. eliminate the competition around it and give it some sunlight. It will probably do even better than it is now.. 

    Let em grow, I would but this tree is in to close to the bedding and I have 160 chestnuts, 100's of apples, pear, persimmons growing not far from that bedding area to draw the deer out to me.

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  5. 8 hours ago, G-Man said:

    I don't know what you mean by plant? You can graft it and get the same tree but will never get same from seed.  If it's a producing tree in a huntable area .releasing it would make it more productive. And live longer

    The reason it's loaded is because it's stressed dying if you will from lack of light and competition. That is the same reason you injure a tree by pruning.. make the tree believe it is dying and it will reproduce to carry on it's genes. You can also go hit apple trees with rolled up newspapers to shake the bark ..also causing it to produce more. 

    Yeah by plant I meant a grafted tree made from this tree. A lot of people have found a 40 or 50 year or older apple tree growing in under the canopy.  Yet they produce very few apples. This crab apple is behind my house in a 20 year old cut over. There's no dead wood on this tree and looks perfectly healthy could it be that it manipulates itself just enough to produce a nice crop of crab apples or just that this tree is recieving just enough scattered sunlight to produce a crop of apples either one it doesn't matter to me. This tree is a winner in my book! I have watched this tree continue to produce crop after crop of apples over the years and I'm sure it will continue for years. They will be a nice addition to plant in some Xmas trees I am going to let grow up. I just wondered what everyone else thought about it. I really do appreciate everyone's input.

     

  6. 5 hours ago, Doc said:

    The pictures look like something that we have growing wild in our area, and they are  good draw for deer. They like them. I wouldn't hesitate to plant them. I know a lot of other critters like them too.

    Doc, what do you call those trees you have in Ny? They seem to always have the deers belly full. I see them growing all over the place in ny! I agree they do look very similar to those trees but I don't believe they are. The1st pictures are from mid growing season, I'll include a picture of what the apples looked like when ripe and fully grown there a little bigger than those of Ny and the tree is thornless.

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  7. I realize alot of you guys are lucky with your wild apples in Ny. Would you plant this crab apple? This tree seems to have the ability to produce a pretty good crop of apple with very limited sunlight, scattered light at best. I was thinking it may go well if planted between chestnuts or oaks that in time would canopy over the crab Apple yet giving you the advantage of utilizing your space available. The tree begins dropping fruit in archery season. What's your thoughts?

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  8. Frost seeding doesn't need to be done during times of having frost. It's all about timing of the ground temperature  adequate moisture for your tap root to travel far enough into the soil to survive so you could always do your oats later.

    If your using granular fertilizer your potassium and phosphorus are inmobile. Meaning if your if you not going to incorporate it into the soil your clover will not be able to use it.

    I like to over seed my soybean plots at home with winter rye come end of August. So I'll watch for the weather and spread my seed the day before the rain no different than "Frost seeding" other than there is no frost:) 

  9. 19 hours ago, G-Man said:

    Well from your photos it seems that your next step should be some kind of timber management. And feather edge of your plot to allow more light and cover.. when you get some saplings growing the bucks will rub the crap out of them as well as stage downwind..  i know its very tempting to put your stand onnthe plot but honestly your better off in the staging area 20 to 50 yards down wind.. at least for the pressured mature buck nys has. If you were the only hunter on 400 acres like out west then hunt the plot.. 

    G-Man, I agree with you 100%. The first thing on my list is to feather what I can on the southern edge of that plot. I can only do about half of it because Ny state would get pretty angry with me if I feathered the hole thing. You are right about the plot we actually don't hunt it. Two of the bucks we killed this year were a result of the plot  but not killed on the plot. Both bucks were on this plot the night before they were harvested and were taken next to bedding areas (staging areas) 400 yards away in 2 different directions.

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  10. Thanks for the welcome everyone! Spring of 2017, we added clover to one end of the plot (durana, ladino and patriot) mixed in a little chickory too. We added 5 apple trees, 4 pears and a few chestnuts. Late summer we planted half the plot in a brassicas mix which the deer destroyed and the other half in winter rye. You will see in picture below brassicas are around 20" inside exclusion fence. I didn't take many pictures of the plot but my trail cameras took a few.

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  11. Hello everyone, I am new here so I thought I would share a little bit of what I have going on at my NY camp.  We began clearing this 3/4 acre plot in the spring of 2016, The phosphorus and potassium was very low. We applied 400 pounds of 18-18-18 as a start for the first year. The ph was 5.1 so we applied 2.5 tons of lime over the next year. The first planting in late summer of 2016 was a mixture of radish, turnips, soybean and winter rye; knowing that if nothing else the rye grain should do alright because the lime had only had a few months to work. I included a picture of us clearing the plot and a picture of the 1st years growth, the deer kept the plot trimmed down as you can see inside the exclusion fence in the last picture.

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