Moron Wildlife Occupied Arrested

[EspressoBuzz]

Crazy is as crazy does!

 

Local Sheriff being investigated.

6 million in costs associated with armed occupation.

Bundy doesn't recognize the federal gov't.

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/oregon-department-of-justice-investigating-sheriff#.uv0BpNEBQ

 

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/grant-county-sheriff-glenn-palmerdoj-investigation/

 

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/malheur-refuge-restoration-progress-occupation-cost/

 

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/mar/10/armed-demonstrators-expected-for-cliven-bundy-cour/

 

There are two Supreme Court rulings specifically regarding the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which is the current point of contention in the News. In 1902 and again in 1935 the SC ruled that the federal government owns and has the legal right to own the Refuge.

Again, the U.S.  Supreme Court has been very consistent in maintaining that the Property Clause of the U.S. Constitution allows the U.S. Federal Government to own and manage lands within all of its possessions (States, Territories, Commonwealths and such) in perpetuity. There is no obligation to dispose of the land in any way, whether by homesteading, sales, or transfer to State governments.

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-US-Constitution-prohibit-the-federal-government-from-owning-land-within-a-state-without-the-permission-of-that-states-legislature

Edited March 24, 2016 by EspressoBuzz

[EspressoBuzz]

I’m coming for you b*tch:’ OR governor and law enforcement continue getting threats over LaVoy Finicum’s death

 

More threats from the "Patriots" out west.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/im-coming-for-you-btch-or-governor-and-law-enforcement-continue-getting-threats-over-lavoy-finicums-death/

[pt0217]

Your liberal sources are a joke!

[ants]

Your liberal sources are a joke!

No…..The source describes itself as "progressive " not liberal.

[EspressoBuzz]

You are free to post the conservative view point if you wish. I will note here that Scalia ruled against their premise that the gov't can not own land and the Supreme Court has done so going back nearly 100 years. But I'd like to read about your point of view.

 

For now I not only think these people are not patriots but are also terrorists.

[EspressoBuzz]

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/bundy_brothers_and_2_co-defend.html

 

More news about the court case against America's home grown terrorists.

[pt0217]

For now I not only think these people are not patriots but are also terrorists.

Of course you do.

[EspressoBuzz]

Take over property (fact), threaten violence to keep property (fact), threaten employees of the refuge (fact). All this done in the name of the U.S Constitution (political aim), which the Supreme Court has ruled on at least twice in the last century. So yeah, they have satisfied the definition of TERRORIST.

 

ter·ror·ist

ˈterərəst/

noun

 

1. a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

   synonyms:

   extremist, fanatic;

    

   ter·ror·ism

   ˈterəˌrizəm/

   noun

    

   1. the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

 

Take over property (fact), threaten violence to keep property (fact), threaten employees of the refuge (fact). All this done in the name of the U.S Constitution (political aim), which the Supreme Court has ruled on at least twice in the last century. So yeah, they have satisfied the definition of TERRORIST.

 

ter·ror·ist

ˈterərəst/

noun

 

1. a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.

   synonyms:

   extremist, fanatic;

    

   ter·ror·ism

   ˈterəˌrizəm/

   noun

    

   1. the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

 

Personally I think they suck and their approach was all wrong. but.....wouldn't that definition have fit really well between 1773 and 1783 as well? I guess the view of  terrorist or patriot can change depending on which side of the fence you are on?

[EspressoBuzz]

Yeah...except their political aim has had it's day in COURT, twice.

 

The FBI has identified them as a terrorist threat also.

 

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/september/militia_092211

 

Once again I am pointing out that we have the rule of law not a capricious King that is taxing us without representation.

[ants]

You are free to post the conservative view point if you wish. I will note here that Scalia ruled against their premise that the gov't can not own land and the Supreme Court has done so going back nearly 100 years. But I'd like to read about your point of view.

 

For now I not only think these people are not patriots but are also terrorists.

I think that these people may very well fit the legal definition of "terrorists". But spending so much time on them taking over an abandoned Federal building in the middle of no where, that ended with no one being hurt, accept one of them, is nonsense. Especially when another group of "terrorists" is slaughtering people, world wide, on a daily basis, and vowing to kill all who do not bow to them. And they do so in the name of a religion, not because they are anti government.

 

Bass akwards to me.

[EspressoBuzz]

Ants, i agree we as a country have many fish to fry, but a few facts may put in perspective why I consider domestic terrorism almost as important.

 

Until 911 the largest terror attack was the Oklahoma Federal building bombing. The WTC and Pentagon buildings significantly increased the the number of lives claimed for foreign terrorist incidents here in the USA but since 911 domestic terrorism has claimed more lives than foreign terrorism in the USA, admittedly by a little but it still has claimed more lives.

 

The numbers by incident are listed here:

 

http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html