Makes me laugh...

[growalot]

I went to Tractor Supply for dog food yesterday...went to the back to read some liquid fertalizer  bottles and see a fully camo clad guy look around and pick up the very last mineral salt block on a pallet. Nearly every regular salt block and all the minerals were gone..This made me curious, so I strolled down the feed isle. Every bag of mineral salt was gone and nearly every small horse/goat one was gone as well....OMG..all the farm animals in the area must have been going through some sort of deficiency....lol

BTW...Looks like I may switch to liquid fertilizer this year...They have micro nutrients in them as well...something we tend to forget about.

Edited February 1, 2017 by growalot

[Four Season Whitetail's]

11 minutes ago, growalot said:

I went to Tractor Supply for dog food yesterday...went to the back to read some liquid fertalizer  bottles and see a fully camo clad guy look around and pick up the very last mineral salt block on a pallet. Nearly every regular salt block and all the minerals were gone..This made me curious, so I strolled down the feed isle. Every bag of mineral salt was gone and nearly every small horse/goat one was gone as well....OMG..all the farm animals in the area must have been going through some sort of deficiency....lol

Yup that will be just like the Urine ban if Ny is ever dumb enough to send thru. It will never be able to be put into action unless they see you pour it on the ground. Hunters are finally seeing thru all the agenda pushers and smoke and mirrors and doing what they need to do to keep the animals healthy thru the rough months.  This year has been a cake walk for them so far in most parts of Ny but a little help sure wont hurt them.

[landtracdeerhunter]

Liquid fert. works far better in dry years. Our soils are lacking Selenium.

Edited February 1, 2017 by landtracdeerhunter

[ManicOutdoorsman92]

Yup that will be just like the Urine ban if Ny is ever dumb enough to send thru. It will never be able to be put into action unless they see you pour it on the ground. Hunters are finally seeing thru all the agenda pushers and smoke and mirrors and doing what they need to do to keep the animals healthy thru the rough months.  This year has been a cake walk for them so far in most parts of Ny but a little help sure wont hurt them.

Gotta love the minset, gotta help them through the winter so I can kill them next fall. Gotta take out the yotes to help the deer. Between us hunters and vehicles, I bet we take at least twice as as many deer as coyotes. Self serving mindset

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[growalot]

I won't use the T word for I dislike it...but looking at your stats,what ever it's called. No area, no equipment,no hunting preference. Then a mention of coyote hunting and self serving hunters for your first post. This where only illegal supplements,possible lure bans and liquid fertilizers were mentioned...hhhmmmm

Edited February 9, 2017 by growalot

[Five Seasons]

not everybody posts everything they do all day everyday.

[growalot]

Thanks for that little, little bit of insight Belo

[Four Season Whitetail's]

5 hours ago, ManicOutdoorsman92 said:

Gotta love the minset, gotta help them through the winter so I can kill them next fall. Gotta take out the yotes to help the deer. Between us hunters and vehicles, I bet we take at least twice as as many deer as coyotes. Self serving mindset

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Thats all well and good..When the Yote's or anyone else pays my Tax bill i may have a different mindset but yes until then i will use and protect my land and the animals i want on it and remove and decimate the ones i dont. Regardless of what someone sitting in an office somewhere thinks that they know what is better for all!

[ManicOutdoorsman92]

I won't use the T word for I dislike it...but looking at your stats,what ever it's called. No area, no equipment,no hunting preference. Then a mention of coyote hunting and self serving hunters for your first post. This where only illegal supplements,possible lure bans and liquid fertilizers were mentioned...hhhmmmm

no Just think it's funny someone talking about helping the deer out while talking down urine bans. " I DON'T care about the CWD whooey I want to spritz my mock scrape with "dominant buck piss"


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[tuckersdaddy]

Back to the subject grow.... whats the cost differance between the liquid and granular? Also whats the comparison in application volume... bags to gallons?

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

59 minutes ago, ManicOutdoorsman92 said:

no Just think it's funny someone talking about helping the deer out while talking down urine bans. " I DON'T care about the CWD whooey I want to spritz my mock scrape with "dominant buck piss"


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Show the Science that shows the CWD Prions ever found in any Whitetail Urine and someone may take note?  We will be waiting!

[growalot]

Tucker ..I'd love to tell you but to be honest...I'd have to 're-read the info to be sure...it peaked my interest so must be at least fair...you know how cheap I am...I have been reading and studying up on so much lately my brain hurts... it was the amount of micro nutrient added that peaked my interest...though our local farmer also sell them. I posted in another thread all the not so healthy nor beneficial things in granular fertilizers...So I'm looking to at least get a rotation going between plant,granular and liquids going. This is off the top of my head 2 1/2gals 12-15gal 12,000 ft...39.00 

[growalot]

Manic...if I was wrong you have my apology and a hope to see your sharing of interests on the site.

PS...personally I think half the stuff sold in little brown bottles comes from guys they give a little $$ to and a couple of 12 packs...

Edited February 10, 2017 by growalot

[Four Season Whitetail's]

At the end of the day I manage my properties for things I like to eat...not things that like to eat what i like to eat!

[ManicOutdoorsman92]

Show the Science that shows the CWD Prions ever found in any Whitetail Urine and someone may take note?  We will be waiting!

Well I won't be frantically be looking for links on your behalf what i know about CWD is pretty much the general knowledge out there from articles in magazines, my butchering book goes into it also, and my understanding is its spread through bodily fluids. Now let's just say this WASN'T the case, what then does the urine ban do. There's a reason for everythin, so what is it, just to oppress the hunters freedom, another way to fine u, or maybe they want control of the whitetail urine market!! Not that it matters, people will do what they want, they ban it, u get it on amazon, whose gonna stop u, the ECO waiting in his car for u to get back. Interesting even when given a reasonable explanation people throw it back and call it ludicrous because it doesnt support how they do things, imo if your using piss, take it from the deer u kill, can't go wrong there. I know I'm sorry it doesn't come prepackaged and labelled but I doubt that stuff in store is largely composed of urine, a bunch of fillers like anything else

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

2 hours ago, ManicOutdoorsman92 said:

Well I won't be frantically be looking for links on your behalf what i know about CWD is pretty much the general knowledge out there from articles in magazines, my butchering book goes into it also, and my understanding is its spread through bodily fluids. Now let's just say this WASN'T the case, what then does the urine ban do. There's a reason for everythin, so what is it, just to oppress the hunters freedom, another way to fine u, or maybe they want control of the whitetail urine market!! Not that it matters, people will do what they want, they ban it, u get it on amazon, whose gonna stop u, the ECO waiting in his car for u to get back. Interesting even when given a reasonable explanation people throw it back and call it ludicrous because it doesnt support how they do things, imo if your using piss, take it from the deer u kill, can't go wrong there. I know I'm sorry it doesn't come prepackaged and labelled but I doubt that stuff in store is largely composed of urine, a bunch of fillers like anything else

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LOL...I am glad you didn't spend a lot of time searching because you wont find a single case. Even in 100% positive brain and node whitetails there as never been prions found in urine. It just goes along with Ny;s way of thinking...Kinda like the Safe Act. You will still be able to buy it off the shelf or if your smart off your local farmer...Just like the shelves of bait in a no baiting state! and they will never be able to press the law unless they catch you pouring it on the ground. One would think if they were smart they would sell only Ny made Urine...I mean they talk so proud of being a CWD state-- Have to test to find it and they dont test squat-- But then the money would stay in Ny and the state could throw another Tax on the stuff.

[Five Seasons]

On ‎2‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 9:16 PM, Four Season Whitetails said:

At the end of the day I manage my properties for things I like to eat...not things that like to eat what i like to eat!

it's sort of like not killing the snails, worms and bugs eating your tomatoes and cucumbers because they're creatures too. if someone can find a better analogy I'm all ears.

[ManicOutdoorsman92]

it's sort of like not killing the snails, worms and bugs eating your tomatoes and cucumbers because they're creatures too. if someone can find a better analogy I'm all ears.

well then those cucumbers are cultivated by you, itd be a little different if u were killing the snail that you see eating wild berries because u want the berries for yourself, my point in the original post was the notion the we our somehow helping the animals in our actions and preserving the ecosystem when we are the largest impact on them, ( not specifically hunters but human beings) my belief is that the ecosystem balances itself which it does, to people's standards, not so much. To many deer in the suburbs so cops can lay em down at a bait pile, to many people is the real issue. Gotta label coyote as nuisance critters, because they kill all the deer then when deer numbers get out of control in an area, due to lack of predation we have to enact "management" efforts to do something, ridiculous. The #1 loss of wildlife and our more prized "Game animals" is loss habitat


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[ManicOutdoorsman92]

Habitat, and there's one critter out there that causes more loss of habitat than anything else, and that's us people. Too bad there wasn't higher authority governing the real nuisance.

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[Five Seasons]

On ‎2‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 10:46 AM, ManicOutdoorsman92 said:

well then those cucumbers are cultivated by you, itd be a little different if u were killing the snail that you see eating wild berries because u want the berries for yourself, my point in the original post was the notion the we our somehow helping the animals in our actions and preserving the ecosystem when we are the largest impact on them, ( not specifically hunters but human beings) my belief is that the ecosystem balances itself which it does, to people's standards, not so much. To many deer in the suburbs so cops can lay em down at a bait pile, to many people is the real issue. Gotta label coyote as nuisance critters, because they kill all the deer then when deer numbers get out of control in an area, due to lack of predation we have to enact "management" efforts to do something, ridiculous. The #1 loss of wildlife and our more prized "Game animals" is loss habitat


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most of us don't own enough land to control the "too many people" issue you speak of. And honestly, I don't even fully agree with that. the adirondaks is barren, and probably from us people controlling mother nature's way of replenishing through fire but still.

so if I can't control "too many people", I can kill predators and plant food.

[growalot]

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Habitat, and there's one critter out there that causes more loss of habitat than anything else, and that's us people. Too bad there wasn't higher authority governing the real nuisance.

Correct me if I'm wrong...The Chinese actually tried this.  It sorta worked for them...though  aren't we one of the countries that their citizens  come to " Vacation " in ...to supersede these pesky controls? BTW  seeing I made this post and it says "makes me Laugh" This is another makes me laugh...big push to stop illegals and build the wall..which too bad, I agree with...We have yet to do what other intelligent countries have done some time ago...change our citizenship laws to correspond with the changing times of global movements and the ease there of. These countries grew a brain:

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To discourage birth tourism, Australia, France, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United Kingdom have modified their citizenship laws at different times, granting citizenship by birth only if at least one parent is a citizen of the country or a legal permanent resident who has lived in the country for several years.

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Speaking to the Los Angeles Times, a 40-year-old woman who was eight-months' pregnant said she came to the United States to skirt China's one-child policy.

"One more month," she said, asking to be identified only by her last name, Liou. She plans to return to China after her baby is born.

Said another mother-to-be, "If things were good in China, why would we need to come here?"

 

[growalot]

Now back to the deer hunting reason for the post....For all the cash guys spend on these blocks every year...I can fertilize and plant for less. Yes even against  those cheap 6.00 blocks...

[ManicOutdoorsman92]

Habitat, and there's one critter out there that causes more loss of habitat than anything else, and that's us people. Too bad there wasn't higher authority governing the real nuisance.

Correct me if I'm wrong...The Chinese actually tried this.  It sorta worked for them...though  aren't we one of the countries that their citizens  come to " Vacation " in ...to supersede these pesky controls? BTW  seeing I made this post and it says "makes me Laugh" This is another makes me laugh...big push to stop illegals and build the wall..which too bad, I agree with...We have yet to do what other intelligent countries have done some time ago...change our citizenship laws to correspond with the changing times of global movements and the ease there of. These countries grew a brain:

To discourage birth tourism, Australia, France, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United Kingdom have modified their citizenship laws at different times, granting citizenship by birth only if at least one parent is a citizen of the country or a legal permanent resident who has lived in the country for several years.

Speaking to the Los Angeles Times, a 40-year-old woman who was eight-months' pregnant said she came to the United States to skirt China's one-child policy.
"One more month," she said, asking to be identified only by her last name, Liou. She plans to return to China after her baby is born.
Said another mother-to-be, "If things were good in China, why would we need to come here?"

 

"Governing", has nothing to do with government or politics for that matter, we are all governed by the forces of nature, but through the manipulation of so many things, we are under the impression that we got a handle on things

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[NFA-ADK]

We do take care of our land for our use.  We manipulate the land for food not only for us but our animals also.  Do we have full control, no.  Mother nature will always have the upper hand but that does not mean we should not attempt to make the land better for what we want, like deer and removing the predators that compete with us for the same food. 

FYI:  Since the first settlers came and cleared the land for food we have been manipulating our resources.  This is the main reason for whitetail deer thriving, we cleared the land!  This is the reason deer are so successful and why we do manage the land, deer and population to the best of our ability.  The higher authority you speak of is already in place and it is called Mother nature and we have no control over how warm, cold, wet, dry and what diseases will spread under those conditions.  Do we have a handle on things?  I would say yes but to think we have full control is just delusional.  Most farmers and land owners who try to improve there lands know this already. 

For someone to think we have no control is another illusion that you would need to keep telling yourself so you believe it!  Keep saying it, I have no control, I have no control, I HAVE NO CONTROL!   LOL funny how troll is in the end of that!  lol again!

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