Freaks of Four Seasons.

[phantom]

4 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Final push. 

Those are beautiful some of the fencing looks  old any chance of a break out ?

Maybe tree fall Boy your neighbors probably praying for that day lol 

[Four Seasons]

4 hours ago, phantom said:

Those are beautiful some of the fencing looks  old any chance of a break out ?

Maybe tree fall Boy your neighbors probably praying for that day lol 

 I am double fenced. They would have to pull the trick twice. Lol

[grampy]

9 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Final push. 

Crazy how big they are!!!  Just curious, so I'll ask what was the biggest buck you ever had on your property in inches? Over 300"?? Pretty cool I'll bet to watch em grow!

[Four Seasons]

3 hours ago, grampy said:

Crazy how big they are!!!  Just curious, so I'll ask what was the biggest buck you ever had on your property in inches? Over 300"?? Pretty cool I'll bet to watch em grow!

296 is my top. These are all on their 2nd racks. Lose more money if you keep them till 3yrs. This kinda shows the difference between 1yr and 2

[grampy]

29 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

296 is my top. These are all on their 2nd racks. Lose more money if you keep them till 3yrs. This kinda shows the difference between 1yr and 2

I'm astounded at that kind of antler growth at only two years old!!

[dbHunterNY]

what's crazy is MSU deer lab did a study to see if you could buy a bunch of Four Seasons freakishly big whitetails and release them into the wild to grow big bucks in the free range herd. even did a simulation so show (if you if could ever afford it) to replace 50% of the buck herd with these deer. it gave you an average increase of 12 inches in antlers after 10 years but imagine the cost of buying say 1,000 of these farmed deer?! hahaha... it's crazy to think how much negligible stress and optimum year round nutrition and age can allow genetics to express their full potential when inside a fence.

in a free range herd they've even said it takes multiple years/generations of quality food for for genetic expression. not something you'd want to do but I wonder what would happen if you fed them mediocre food typical to what a free range deer would see. I bet they'd still be massive but nothing close to what they would be otherwise.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

On 8/17/2021 at 3:51 PM, dbHunterNY said:

what's crazy is MSU deer lab did a study to see if you could buy a bunch of Four Seasons freakishly big whitetails and release them into the wild to grow big bucks in the free range herd. even did a simulation so show (if you if could ever afford it) to replace 50% of the buck herd with these deer. it gave you an average increase of 12 inches in antlers after 10 years but imagine the cost of buying say 1,000 of these farmed deer?! hahaha... it's crazy to think how much negligible stress and optimum year round nutrition and age can allow genetics to express their full potential when inside a fence.

in a free range herd they've even said it takes multiple years/generations of quality food for for genetic expression. not something you'd want to do but I wonder what would happen if you fed them mediocre food typical to what a free range deer would see. I bet they'd still be massive but nothing close to what they would be otherwise.

A little research would show you many,many years back it very well was high fence deer released into the wilds of Ohio to save that herd.  One would say Ohio stands above Ny in the whitetail world.  Mediocre food here ( Behind Fence)is pretty much what my deer get outside the fence. !8% Pellet and Clover,Alfalfa in every bite.  The genetics and the lack of stress is all it takes behind fence or in the wilds. Our 1000 acres of wild has produced bigger deer then most properties in our local area because of those same two things although we have some genetics its more age and lack of stress.

[dbHunterNY]

A little research would show you many,many years back it very well was high fence deer released into the wilds of Ohio to save that herd.  One would say Ohio stands above Ny in the whitetail world.  Mediocre food here ( Behind Fence)is pretty much what my deer get outside the fence. !8% Pellet and Clover,Alfalfa in every bite.  The genetics and the lack of stress is all it takes behind fence or in the wilds. Our 1000 acres of wild has produced bigger deer then most properties in our local area because of those same two things although we have some genetics its more age and lack of stress.

I agree the most influence to grow big antlers is age, nutrition, and genetics in that order. Somewhere towards the top and maybe part of those 3 is stress. Also assuming bucks on a property have equal potential when it comes to age and nutrition, no sense in not letting good genetics walk to so what they can do. Most hunters will power sucks.

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[phantom]

On 7/26/2021 at 7:30 AM, Four Seasons said:

 I am double fenced. They would have to pull the trick twice. Lol

Is your farm open to the public ? 

[Four Seasons]

Getting quiet around here. This might help. 1 and 2yr olds. 

[Shoots100]

Last year my friend had a 3 yr old 300 + palmated triple beam in his herd and I always worried that the poor bucks neck was going to snap when he would jump a blow down.

 

[Paula]

I can't remember if I or someone else asked, what do you do with the racks?

[Four Seasons]

On 7/15/2022 at 8:34 PM, Paula said:

I can't remember if I or someone else asked, what do you do with the racks?

Pile them up. They add up fast. 

[Four Seasons]

Yearlings and 2yr olds finishing up for the season. 

[G-Man]

1 minute ago, Four Seasons said:

Yearlings and 2yr olds finishing up for the season. 

Only seems like 2 weeks left here of growing.. im sure your may grow a little longer with better nutrition and less stress..

[Swamp_bucks]

46 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

Yearlings and 2yr olds finishing up for the season. 

How much emphasis is put on the correct doe for breeding?  Clearly the bucks potential genes helps with the good growth of the offspring but clearly the doe has to play some affect into it? 
Just wondering is there a certain doe you breed with a certain buck each year because you know the outcome of great genetics?

 

[Four Seasons]

11 minutes ago, Swamp_bucks said:

How much emphasis is put on the correct doe for breeding?  Clearly the bucks potential genes helps with the good growth of the offspring but clearly the doe has to play some affect into it? 
Just wondering is there a certain doe you breed with a certain buck each year because you know the outcome of great genetics?

 

It’s all about the doe around here. I breed for width for the most part. Most all the does have parents that are or are from bucks at least 30 inches inside. Then I breed them two different way. One is wide and clean on wide and clean and the other is real trashy on wide and clean. Prob 80% of the time the offspring is wide, pretty clean with a few extras. But as is the case of this yearling which has a very clean mom it sometimes favors the dad more so. 

[Swamp_bucks]

Do you give tours?  Be cool to see how an operation like that works. 

[Paula]

8 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Pile them up. They add up fast. 

I'm sure they do.