Here ya Go Guy's

[Adkhunter1590]

I don't know about you, but I find it pretty easy to point out the people who've been smoking pot for many years.  I'm not surprised at all by how many people smoke it.  I'm surprised by how many don't think it has retarded their abilities to succeed in life.  Sure many are doing well, but who's to say they couldn't have been doing better?  Anyone who thinks smoking a lot of weed doesn't have any affect on your mental capacities, is smoking too much weed.

So now smoking a little weed retards the ability to succeed?? That’s a load of horse manure. How is it that most college students spend 4 years partying yet can graduate and go on to successful lives and are labeled as “successful” because they got a college degree. Yet they probably did enough drugs in their tenure that could down an elephant. Not everyone can be the CEO or whatever, so what’s your definition of successful? Your success in life has nothing to do with smoking weed, just like it doesn’t have anything to do with knocking back a bunch of cold ones at a bbq with your buddies on the weekend. If you want to be president, a couple joints a week sure as hell isn’t the reason your not.

[Rattler]

44 minutes ago, Adkhunter1590 said:

So now smoking a little weed retards the ability to succeed?? That’s a load of horse manure. How is it that most college students spend 4 years partying yet can graduate and go on to successful lives and are labeled as “successful” because they got a college degree. Yet they probably did enough drugs in their tenure that could down an elephant. Not everyone can be the CEO or whatever, so what’s your definition of successful? Your success in life has nothing to do with smoking weed, just like it doesn’t have anything to do with knocking back a bunch of cold ones at a bbq with your buddies on the weekend. If you want to be president, a couple joints a week sure as hell isn’t the reason your not.

First off, I said people who've smoked a lot of weed.  2nd, how well are most college grads doing these days?  Grade inflation is a real thing because many students are really not with it for the 4 years they are in college.  BTW, MOST college kids DON"T spend 4 years "partying".  Only the losers do.  Doing copious amounts of alcohol has proven to kill brain cells.  Doing lots of pot, or any mind altering drug, does the same.  I know more people who smoke lots of weed who are not doing well, than I know who are doing well.  I'm also acquainted with many very successful people who neither drink nor do drugs.  I base my opinion on my own personal observations.  I think peer reviewed research would verify my suspicions.  Feel free to disagree.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Rattler

[Five Seasons]

2 hours ago, Rattler said:

I don't know about you, but I find it pretty easy to point out the people who've been smoking pot for many years.  I'm not surprised at all by how many people smoke it.  I'm surprised by how many don't think it has retarded their abilities to succeed in life.  Sure many are doing well, but who's to say they couldn't have been doing better?  Anyone who thinks smoking a lot of weed doesn't have any affect on your mental capacities, is smoking too much weed.

this statement right here proves my point. but it's not a conversation for a public forum.

[nyantler]

Legalizing marijuana is fine. But don’t ignore the science on its dangers... just like alcohol.

[airedale]

I predict years down the road when the smoke clears the evidence will show weed will be found to be at least as but probably more harmful to one's health than tobacco is. I have been around long enough to remember the same arguments about cigarette smoking.

Al

Edited January 4, 2019 by airedale

[crappyice]

Here’s a good one for ya...if it does get legalized in NYS for recreational use, how many non-pot smokers will “give it a dance” when out at a bar or offer a bong at their next party? Just curious


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[Adkhunter1590]

First off, I said people who've smoked a lot of weed.  2nd, how well are most college grads doing these days?  Grade inflation is a real thing because many students are really not with it for the 4 years they are in college.  BTW, MOST college kids DON"T spend 4 years "partying".  Only the losers do.  Doing copious amounts of alcohol has proven to kill brain cells.  Doing lots of pot, or any mind altering drug, does the same.  I know more people who smoke lots of weed who are not doing well, than I know who are doing well.  I'm also acquainted with many very successful people who neither drink nor do drugs.  I base my opinion on my own personal observations.  I think peer reviewed research would verify my suspicions.  Feel free to disagree.

Most college grads are doing exactly what they should be doing based on their work ethic and desire, nothing to do with smoking weed. And actually, pot doesn’t kill brain cells. This is the misinformation people like you spew in order to distract from the facts and keep everyone thinking its 1955 still. Lab test after lab test and still no one has proven that weed legit kills your brain cells or any other cell in your body like alcohol does. Alcohol is a legit poison, nothing like weed. I think your so far off base your not even aware you left the ball field. If “peer reviewed research” could prove such negative effects, no way in hell would it be legal anywhere, nor would almost every state in the union be preparing for its legalization. Your lumping the responsible users into one generalization. That’s no different than saying anyone who touches alcohol is nothing but a good for nothing drunk who is incapable of achieving anything other than liver failure. I respect your right to your own opinions, but your living decades in the past and basing your opinions off fearmongering missinformation that my parents and grandparents generations dreamed up to keep weed illegal.

[Rattler]

It's true pot doesn't kill brain function like alcohol does, it has it's own way of accomplishing that.  Peer reviewed research did prove pot had negative effects on people and society as a whole.  That's why it became illegal everywhere.  

Today, the government has decided to allow all sorts of miscreant behavior to thrive to buy votes.  Just as prohibition proved alcohol was desired by the majority of the population, pot is also desired by a large portion of the population.  Is booze or weed a benefit to society?  No.  Does it cause society harm and create expense for taxpayers to deal with?  Yes.

Laws today are passed more often to buy votes then to benefit society.  Today you can do all sorts of things that used to be considered major violations of American values and social mores.  Drugs, booze, abortion, casual sex and pornography are a few examples.  Are any of these things being presented to children as good values?  It's just the government's apathy towards quality of life and it's surrender to the overall decline of moral and ethical values.

If you believe weed is really a good thing for America, tell me this, are you promoting it's use with your progeny?  If not, there must be a reason why you do not.

[Adkhunter1590]

It's true pot doesn't kill brain function like alcohol does, it has it's own way of accomplishing that.  Peer reviewed research did prove pot had negative effects on people and society as a whole.  That's why it became illegal everywhere.  
Today, the government has decided to allow all sorts of miscreant behavior to thrive to buy votes.  Just as prohibition proved alcohol was desired by the majority of the population, pot is also desired by a large portion of the population.  Is booze or weed a benefit to society?  No.  Does it cause society harm and create expense for taxpayers to deal with?  Yes.
Laws today are passed more often to buy votes then to benefit society.  Today you can do all sorts of things that used to be considered major violations of American values and social mores.  Drugs, booze, abortion, casual sex and pornography are a few examples.  Are any of these things being presented to children as good values?  It's just the government's apathy towards quality of life and it's surrender to the overall decline of moral and ethical values.
If you believe weed is really a good thing for America, tell me this, are you promoting it's use with your progeny?  If not, there must be a reason why you do not.

Your views are clearly imbedded and generated somewhere between 1920 and 1960. Your decades if not centuries late to the fight against deviant behavior. I understand where your coming from, but your basing your opinions on what your grandparents thought about weed. They didn’t understand pot back then, and the older generation clearly still doesn’t. The science and technology used to determine weeds affects 100 years ago shouldn’t hold a candle to what we can verify by today’s standards. Weed and booze are only a problem for society if you abuse either one. No one ever said abusing anything was a good thing. Drinking too much water can be harmful, so can a million other things. Why do the idiots who free willingly choose to harm themselves get all the lime light? I’ll agree to a extent that the government does and will appease to the masses to keep order. But that’s their job. The government doesn’t own us, nor should they be the ones to dictate the values and morals inside our own homes. Just like they shouldn’t be the ones telling me I can’t smoke a flower grown from Mother Earth. If you’d like a more controlling government, I hear Russia or even China is nice this time of year......

As far as promoting it with my kids, I think your taking it to the extreme. Alcohol has been legal for all of our lifetimes, did anyone’s parents here promote them getting smashed on their 10th birthdays? I think not. When my kids are in their teens I will have multiple discussions with them about weed, alcohol and anything else they want to know about. I won’t shelter my boys from the reality of life, but I also won’t instill misguided fear into their heads. And ya honestly I think I’d rather my boys smoke a little grass now and then compared to the level of drinking I was able to do as a teen and into college. The dangerous things I did while drunk all those years ago are a funny memory now, but I’d bet my life almost none of it would have ever happened if I had stuck to smoking weed instead of drinking. You’ve got a trillion times better chance of passing out on the couch with a bag of Cheetos on weed rather than a drunk who’s ready to party harder after a 6 pack. I really think the people who are so afraid of weed should try it. So they can see first hand it’s not this crazy drug that makes you lose your mind. Hell even my father in law says he wants to try it once it’s legal and He runs a multi million dollar business. 8 years ago I can clearly remember him ragging on his nephews and nieces that smoked. Times change and so does the perception of things, especially when the TRUTH about things finally come to light.

[Rattler]

It might be helpful to point out many people voted for Cuomo so they could get pot legalized.  They seemingly forgot the other 4 things listed in the OP would also come with that vote.  The govt is still controlling people.  It's just found a more effective way of doing it.  The animals on the farm will always vote for the farmer because he feeds them, even knowing one day the farmer will slaughter them.

Just to be clear,  I don't think drugs should be illegal.  Never should have been.  That's where the crime and murder comes from.  Too much money in it to be ignored.  But I would never recommend anyone take up drug abuse or alcoholism to deal with life.  Many people thought they could just dip into those lifestyles, only to find they fell in completely.  That's when society pays the price to try and help them out.  That's how the govt justifies stopping people from doing it to start.  As long as there are people with little will power in society, the costs to help them will always be a taxpayer's burden.  Now if we all agree to just let them be when they get in trouble, I'd be good with legalizing everything with drugs and booze.  But with men like Cuomo in office, who don't believe anyone can be accountable for their poor choices, I don't see that happening.

Edited January 5, 2019 by Rattler

[landtracdeerhunter]

This state is going to hell!

[bugsNbows]

Going ... or already gone? 

[Rattler]

It's been there since Cuomo was elected.

[Steve D]

2 hours ago, landtracdeerhunter said:

This state is going to hell!

Right along with the rest of the country. We are just going a lot faster

[Five Seasons]

On 1/5/2019 at 2:33 AM, Rattler said:

It's true pot doesn't kill brain function like alcohol does, it has it's own way of accomplishing that.  Peer reviewed research did prove pot had negative effects on people and society as a whole.  That's why it became illegal everywhere.  

This is again where you're wrong. America had a choice back in the early 1900's. It decided it would pick a vice and for a brief period there would be no vice at all, but after the dust settled it gave in to the much stronger and taxable vice that is alcohol. It's not any more complicated than that and if you think it is, you're even more ignorant than I thought you were. 90% of the laws and regulations in this country that exist outside of the constitution are about money. Alcohol generates more money than marijuana and it was deemed acceptable. Marijuana is an organic and all natural solution to many pharmaceuticals and an alternative to alcohol and therefore has been smeared by lobbyists with negative and incorrect information for decades. And of course, yes when abused it's not good for you. You can draw very similar parallels to leaded gasoline research and global warming if you were willing to open your mind to it.

[Rattler]

18 minutes ago, Belo said:

 It's not any more complicated than that and if you think it is, you're even more ignorant than I thought you were. 

This is why I cannot engage in an intellectual level of debate with you.  Civility is a skill that controls the debate.  Without it, the debate devolves into an argument.  I'll have to research the effect pot has on aggression in people who use it.  I believe that was one of the things cited when it became illegal worldwide, not just in the US. 

Either way, Cuomo is going make it legal, while he takes away many of your actual constitutional rights.  At least being stoned will help people tolerate the tyranny.

[Adkhunter1590]

Now weed makes you aggressive? Come on man you can’t be serious?????

[Five Seasons]

34 minutes ago, Rattler said:

This is why I cannot engage in an intellectual level of debate with you.  Civility is a skill that controls the debate.  Without it, the debate devolves into an argument.  I'll have to research the effect pot has on aggression in people who use it.  I believe that was one of the things cited when it became illegal worldwide, not just in the US. 

Either way, Cuomo is going make it legal, while he takes away many of your actual constitutional rights.  At least being stoned will help people tolerate the tyranny.

You're taking the word ignorant as an insult (which is pretty liberal of you) haha. The fact is, being ignorant on the subject isn't a negative unless you want it to be. For example, I've never reloaded ammo and I'm very ignorant on the subject. If someone said, "Belo you're ignorant about reloading" I would not be offended because it's true. 

Point is, your thinking on marijuana is very dated and lacking any modern insight or research. It's very obvious that you're lacking in knowledge on the subject and your opinions are formed on personal beliefs and not modern science.

You sort of doubled down with thinking that anyone who smokes weed is aggressive lol. It's the exact opposite my friend. No 2 stoned people ever get into a bar fight. ever. 

[airedale]

8 hours ago, Belo said:

Marijuana is an organic and all natural

So is Tobacco, Heroin Poppy Plants,  Cocaine Cocao Plants

[wildcat junkie]

On 12/30/2018 at 6:24 AM, Doc said:

If you can figure some way of keeping the dope-heads off the highway, I don't care what you use to help you get through the day. I just don't need anymore druggies hurtling their vehicles in my direction with their brains addled on yet another legalized chemical alteration.

REEFER MADNESS!

[Rattler]

15 hours ago, Belo said:

You sort of doubled down with thinking that anyone who smokes weed is aggressive lol. It's the exact opposite my friend. No 2 stoned people ever get into a bar fight. ever. 

I didn't say they were aggressive while they are stoned.  But what about when they are no longer stoned.  Is it possible the THC lingering in the bloodstream causes a common addiction malady, namely aggressive behavior in the quest to smoke another joint?  Does a pot smoker exhibit signs of agitation towards unrelated things when they are jonesing for another high?  You've seen some of the videos of the screaming, the yelling and the violent attacks by today's youth, right?  (all of which they justify in their minds with very tortured and convoluted thinking) Perhaps that is the cause of the uptick in societal violence in today's youthful leftist's.  I find it hard to imagine none of these youthful deviants are not smoking pot.  Many probably smoke a lot of it.

There really hasn't been a lot of research done on all the effects dope has on people.  Science usually provides answers when society starts to ask why there are problems.  It's reactionary.  To say weed doesn't create any problems is denial.  It's quite obvious it does when someone who is under it's influence makes a command decision to drive a car.  Ergo, it would be logical to assume being under it's influence would cause people to make equally bad decisions in many other areas, which could cause harm to other people.  It would also be within the realm of probability to assume these people may be influenced by it's use long after the high dissipates.  

Let me once again bring this thread full circle.  Cuomo is acknowledged by many here to be a leftist and a tyrant.  He makes proposals everyday that directly attack your freedoms in every area of your life.  He has proclaimed his disgust with our lifestyles and has said we don't belong in NY at all.  Is this bone he is throwing out to the masses going to cause many people to support his oppressive policies for fear he won't go through with it, or will repeal it after the fact?  It's a clever political ploy that has been used by unscrupulous oppressors and dictators for centuries.  When your enemy offers an olive branch with his left hand, you should be looking to see if he has a rock in his right hand.

 

[Five Seasons]

14 hours ago, airedale said:

So is Tobacco, Heroin Poppy Plants,  Cocaine Cocao Plants

oh i didn't realize you just picked heroin and cocao and smoked the flower 

you should educate yourself

[Five Seasons]

6 hours ago, Rattler said:

I didn't say they were aggressive while they are stoned.  But what about when they are no longer stoned.  Is it possible the THC lingering in the bloodstream causes a common addiction malady, namely aggressive behavior in the quest to smoke another joint?  Does a pot smoker exhibit signs of agitation towards unrelated things when they are jonesing for another high?  You've seen some of the videos of the screaming, the yelling and the violent attacks by today's youth, right?  (all of which they justify in their minds with very tortured and convoluted thinking) Perhaps that is the cause of the uptick in societal violence in today's youthful leftist's.  I find it hard to imagine none of these youthful deviants are not smoking pot.  Many probably smoke a lot of it.

There really hasn't been a lot of research done on all the effects dope has on people.  Science usually provides answers when society starts to ask why there are problems.  It's reactionary.  To say weed doesn't create any problems is denial.  It's quite obvious it does when someone who is under it's influence makes a command decision to drive a car.  Ergo, it would be logical to assume being under it's influence would cause people to make equally bad decisions in many other areas, which could cause harm to other people.  It would also be within the realm of probability to assume these people may be influenced by it's use long after the high dissipates.  

Let me once again bring this thread full circle.  Cuomo is acknowledged by many here to be a leftist and a tyrant.  He makes proposals everyday that directly attack your freedoms in every area of your life.  He has proclaimed his disgust with our lifestyles and has said we don't belong in NY at all.  Is this bone he is throwing out to the masses going to cause many people to support his oppressive policies for fear he won't go through with it, or will repeal it after the fact?  It's a clever political ploy that has been used by unscrupulous oppressors and dictators for centuries.  When your enemy offers an olive branch with his left hand, you should be looking to see if he has a rock in his right hand.

 

man i'm done. You're killing me. today's youth? Is weed new? Quest for another joint? You are so mixed up in your thinking and worse than I thought that I can't continue man, I just can't. This isn't crack or H. It's weed. I have no idea what the market is today, but $20 was enough to roll several joints. You certainly aren't out selling your body for joints lol.

If you really want to discuss this you're going to need more than anecdotal thoughts and feelings. I've posted links to several studies and stats to back up my position. It's your turn.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Belo

[airedale]

1 hour ago, Belo said:

oh i didn't realize you just picked heroin and cocao and smoked the flower 

you should educate yourself

I grew up in the sixties Friend, I probably have forgot more about drugs than what you know, The notion and rational that because something grows in nature it is harmless is laughable, drugs are what they are, don't make no difference whether it is a flower growing in the ground, made by some pharmaceutical  company or cooked up in someone's garage they are all bad health wise.

Al

Edited January 8, 2019 by airedale

[Five Seasons]

1 hour ago, airedale said:

I grew up in the sixties Friend, I probably have forgot more about drugs than what you know, The notion and rational that because something grows in nature it is harmless is laughable, drugs are what they are, don't make no difference whether it is a flower growing in the ground, made by some pharmaceutical  company or cooked up in someone's garage they are all bad health wise.

Al

that is not true at all. the drugs you mentioned, plus alcohol all have to be processed. marijuana does not. It's very similar to tobacco, coffee or even vegetables that require zero human interaction to feel their affects. Yes abuse can be bad, and no just because it grows in the ground does not make it good for you. I merely mention that point because I struggle with regulating a flower that grows in the ground and i'm anti big government. Now if I want to setup a meth lab or a cocaine processing lab (the amount of cacao leaf is insane btw) then that's a different story isn't it?

and fwiw, you growing up in the sixties doesn't mean shit to me. It could mean you haven't read any new informational studies on drugs and you're stuck in your ways and basing your opinions on the way things used to be. Which, btw was a long time before our current opioid crisis. And the refer that's out there today is not the refer you or I had as kids. that's for damn sure haha.

As a parent of 3 young boys, I can promise you I'm much more concerned about pills then I am about weed. I'm 35 for reference and when I grew up pills were not a big deal. They are now, and I have a narco cop friend that I can put you in touch with if you don't believe me.