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Biz,  you guys had a very good run with those fixed broadheads, but this might be an indication that the time is right to switch to mechanicals.   The study that Culver posted, using the Navy base data, indicated a clear advantage for mechanical broadheads with a crossbow (and vertical bows), when it comes to recovery percentage .    The wider cutting diameter can make the difference on a marginal hit.  

My own run with mechanicals has been very good at 6 for 6 which includes one with my old vertical bow.  The last one was the first to make it farther than 40 yards after taking the bolt.  I still don't know how the heck he managed to make it 150 yards, at a walk while center-punched thru both lungs.  Sadly, I lost my last "reworked" mechanical on that pass thru shot. Maybe that one went so far because my "resharpening" job was not that great.  I think those things are meant for one-time use.  I destroyed one of the 6-pack that I purchased years ago on a practice shot I used to check it's zero with my vertical bow.  The two-fur on the last one got me a 6th buck from that 6-pack of mechanical, 125 grain, 3-blade, o-ring style broadheads.   

Sorry about the lost deer, but I think the odds of him being alive are greater than those of him being dead.  My guess is an "above the spine" hit, thru the meaty back-strap area behind the shoulder.   A broadhead wound to that area typically heals up completely.

I know how your dad feels, because the memories of those that I have hit and lost thru 38 years (fortunately none during archery season since going exclusively to the crossbow in 2014), stay with me a lot clearer than any of my successful harvest do.  

I still think often about my last non-recovered hit, on a basket-racked 8-point with my ML, and that happened about 15 years ago.  I can still see that buck like it was yesterday.   It is all crystal clear, from when I first saw him, till I last saw him, and most of all, about when I got the news that my shot was a hit and not a miss as I had wrongly assumed.  I followed that track for several hundred yards, and never found so much as a hair or a drop of blood on the fresh snow. 

You never get too old to learn, and you learn from these things and move on.   The most important lesson I learned from that mishap was to never assume a miss until proven otherwise.  The best way to "prove" a miss is to kill the deer with a follow up shot and count holes.  I have done that twice since then, including my first and largest Adirondack buck in 2014, and a monster swamp buck last season, each of which was killed with my third shot (the Adirondack buck only took one bullet but the last on took all three).  

That Adirondack buck might still be alive today, and that big swamper would have fed coyotes after succumbing to a "below the spine" gut hit from my first shot, were it not for that hard lesson that I learned 15 years ago.  

I also learned that fresh snow is not a good indicator of blood, because the hot stuff will cut right thru it, leaving no trace on top.   Those two lessons lesson also got me one highly-prized button buck in 2010, that I otherwise might have given up on.  

It sounds like your tracking efforts were enough to almost prove that, although a hit was certainly made, that deer has a very good chance of recovery.   Hopefully, you guys will get another crack at him during gun season.    

      

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Biz,  you guys had a very good run with those fixed broadheads, but this might be an indication that the time is right to switch to mechanicals.   The study that Culver posted, using the Navy base data, indicated a clear advantage for mechanical broadheads with a crossbow (and vertical bows), when it comes to recovery percentage .    The wider cutting diameter can make the difference on a marginal hit.  
My own run with mechanicals has been very good at 6 for 6 which includes one with my old vertical bow.  The last one was the first to make it farther than 40 yards after taking the bolt.  I still don't know how the heck he managed to make it 150 yards, at a walk while center-punched thru both lungs.  Sadly, I lost my last "reworked" mechanical on that pass thru shot. Maybe that one went so far because my "resharpening" job was not that great.  I think those things are meant for one-time use.  I destroyed one of the 6-pack that I purchased years ago on a practice shot I used to check it's zero with my vertical bow.  The two-fur on the last one got me a 6th buck from that 6-pack of mechanical, 125 grain, 3-blade, o-ring style broadheads.   
Sorry about the lost deer, but I think the odds of him being alive are greater than those of him being dead.  My guess is an "above the spine" hit, thru the meaty back-strap area behind the shoulder.   A broadhead wound to that area typically heals up completely.
I know how your dad feels, because the memories of those that I have hit and lost thru 38 years (fortunately none during archery season since going exclusively to the crossbow in 2014), stay with me a lot clearer than any of my successful harvest do.  
I still think often about my last non-recovered hit, on a basket-racked 8-point with my ML, and that happened about 15 years ago.  I can still see that buck like it was yesterday.   It is all crystal clear, from when I first saw him, till I last saw him, and most of all, about when I got the news that my shot was a hit and not a miss as I had wrongly assumed.  I followed that track for several hundred yards, and never found so much as a hair or a drop of blood on the fresh snow. 
You never get too old to learn, and you learn from these things and move on.   The most important lesson I learned from that mishap was to never assume a miss until proven otherwise.  The best way to "prove" a miss is to kill the deer with a follow up shot and count holes.  I have done that twice since then, including my first and largest Adirondack buck in 2014, and a monster swamp buck last season, each of which was killed with my third shot (the Adirondack buck only took one bullet but the last on took all three).  
That Adirondack buck might still be alive today, and that big swamper would have fed coyotes after succumbing to a "below the spine" gut hit from my first shot, were it not for that hard lesson that I learned 15 years ago.  
I also learned that fresh snow is not a good indicator of blood, because the hot stuff will cut right thru it, leaving no trace on top.   Those two lessons lesson also got me one highly-prized button buck in 2010, that I otherwise might have given up on.  
It sounds like your tracking efforts were enough to almost prove that, although a hit was certainly made, that deer has a very good chance of recovery.   Hopefully, you guys will get another crack at him during gun season.    
      


Thanks for insight, but I’ll never be a mechanical guy. Doesn’t make sense to me. Both of my xbow kills died in under 15 yards. Dad’s 2017 xbow kill never moved either. I don’t think the Broadhead had any issue this time, but rather he didn’t make a perfect shot


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23 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

 


Thanks for insight, but I’ll never be a mechanical guy. Doesn’t make sense to me. Both of my xbow kills died in under 15 yards. Dad’s 2017 xbow kill never moved either. I don’t think the Broadhead had any issue this time, but rather he didn’t make a perfect shot


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I agree Biz, i have killed a ton of deer with fixed heads,  thats not the issue. Bad shot with mechanical  or fixed is just that a bad shot, no reason to switch.

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17 hours ago, moog5050 said:

I hope you like the food because your dad texted me to remove you from his will.  Apparently he thought you should be helping to track too.   

 

Moog helped him draw up the new will and instead of asking for monetary payment he will be inheriting the Weatherby's.  :)

 

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2 hours ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

 


Thanks for insight, but I’ll never be a mechanical guy. Doesn’t make sense to me. Both of my xbow kills died in under 15 yards. Dad’s 2017 xbow kill never moved either. I don’t think the Broadhead had any issue this time, but rather he didn’t make a perfect shot


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If the shot passed thru above the spine, as it sounds like was probably the case, then I agree that the mechanical might not have helped.   It very tough to refute the evidence of that non-biased study that Culver posted a few weeks ago.  That study showed a very significant improvement in recovery percentage, with mechanical broadheads, especially when used with crossbows.    Any broadhead will kill with a perfect shot, but the mechanical has been shown to provide a slight edge on the "less than perfect" ones.   

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11/11/19: After not finding his buck on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, Dad went back to hunting today. He hunted dark to dark and saw 1 doe at 11:30am.

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Biz,

 

So your dad is a real badass with all these dark to dark sits! Does he stay on the same stand all day? What does he pack in for eats. Is he an old school wool guy or is he high tech in the Sitka or modern gear? Whats his all day boot of choice? I give him kudos for his persistence. 

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Biz,
 
So your dad is a real badass with all these dark to dark sits! Does he stay on the same stand all day? What does he pack in for eats. Is he an old school wool guy or is he high tech in the Sitka or modern gear? Whats his all day boot of choice? I give him kudos for his persistence. 


He usually sits 2 spots. The morning in one, eats his lunch and then a super slow walk to the second one. He eats basic cold cuts on bread and has candy as snacks. He doesn’t see the point in going home if he’s only coming back to the woods anyway. He has nothing new high-tech and takes the cold better than me. He wears long Johns, flannel and an old pair of whitetail extreme pants and jacket. I wear the same stuff but i have under Armour cold gear as my base layer. Boots-wise we both wear old boots that i couldn’t even tell you the brand. I have PAC Boots 2000 Infernos I’ve used in extreme cold in Canada and Minnesota but never used it in New York.


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Thanks Biz! I hope I am spending as much time in the woods when I’m older! I hope he gets another crack or even better at that same buck.


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Thanks Biz! I hope I am spending as much time in the woods when I’m older! I hope he gets another crack or even better at that same buck.


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Thanks man. Here’s a boot pic for you. The light timberlands I wear as long as temps are like 30’s and rising. If colder or snow, I wear the heavier ones. Can’t find a brand on them

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14 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

Dad is NOT hunting tomorrow or Friday. He's laying low till Saturday opener. I’m shocked


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Tough getting past a lost deer. He might change his mind for Friday after being off a day. 

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Tough getting past a lost deer. He might change his mind for Friday after being off a day. 


Yea, but moreso I think he wants to stay out of the woods for 2 days prior to the opener.


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11/16: opening day of rifle. Hunted with TCIII and Sodfather in 9J.

Morning on lease. I missed buck. Tacks saw 2 does. Jay saw 5 does/fawns. Here’s the story on my miss. I didn’t see anything and knew Tacks had to leave at 9am for a family obligation. So I went to his stand at 9. I climb up the ladder stand. Hang my bookbag, lay my rifle across my lap. Look left and see a nice body deer moving about 110yds away. I knew it had to be a buck but I throw up the binocs and I’m looking at my bookbag lol. Grab the rifle and see the buck moving away quick but the brush looked light so I let it rip. No blood and when I get up there the brush was much much more than expected. Hindsight, I should have grunted to try to get him into range but it all happened so fast. I was in the stand for literally 10 seconds. Buck was at least a big 4, maybe 6. We followed the fresh tracks for a while and no blood.


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Afternoon we hunted Stateland- nothing for me and jay. Tacks saw 1 doe

Back to the lease tomorrow morning.

My dad 380 miles away in 3N, went dark to dark and saw a good buck too far to shoot, a spike at 30yds and a doe.


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If you fall 70” shy of the 1000” prediction you may be kicking yourself harder!


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If you fall 70” shy of the 1000” prediction you may be kicking yourself harder!


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11/17/19: slow day hunting 9J lease with TCIII and@Sodfather. I saw nothing morning and afternoon. Jay and Tacks each saw 1 doe in the morning.

No deer killed but Another fun weekend of hunting, drinks and food. Heading back home tomorrow.

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11/17 continued: dad hunted back home dark to dark and saw a shooter buck chasing a doe around noon. Couldn’t get a shot though. No hunting tomorrow with the rain. But dad and I will probably hunt together Tuesday


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11/19: Dad and I both hunted dark to dark. Snowy rain n foggy. I Hit estrous can call at 835 and 845am stood up to stretch n look behind me n here come deer. I watched them from 850-905. They never spooked. 5 does/fawns under 25yds. I took nice video. Screenshot of video attached. They were headed towards my dad, so I texted him and sure enough he saw them 10min later. A little after that dad saw a nice buck chasing a doe hard through heavy stuff at 100 yards. No shot opportunity. Not long after that he saw them again, so he tried grunting and a spike came in out of nowhere. The afternoon we both saw nothing. Lots of fresh rubs though and some daytime pics or bucks. The time is off on one of the cams

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11/20/19: Dad Hunted dark to dark and seen no deer. Technically there was 10-15 minute break when he drove from his land to a nearby stateland spot a few miles away for the afternoon.

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11/21/19: Dad hunted dark to dark. He passed up a 3pt. (same one he saw during xbow) at 740am, and then passed up a big bodied 4pt at 940am. He said he contemplated the 4pt for a while, but decided to pass.

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On 11/17/2019 at 9:51 PM, Bigbuckdown2019 said:

Drinking a Busch and Miller light, Biz your alright!!

I'm a chameleon. I can adapt to all surroundings

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