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its to each its own..... but it just cant understand how people think a crossbow isnt easier to hunt with than a bow.  It almost seems like have they ever used one?  It has the same capabilities as a 50 yard gun.  I hunt from treestands mostly, but on the ground or from the stand you just look thru a scope and shoot.  Bow has to be drawn and more movement can be seen, have to hold it and there are more targeting issues with a bow by far.  Correct form, if shooting down bend the right way, right anchor point, no scope, etc.  even with practice those variables are still there.  I actually love the way the seasons are setup right now cause i like to hunt with everything bow, xbow, gun.  To say the crossbow is heavy - mine weighs the same as my -06.  both 7+lbs.  I can shoot my xbow quarter groups at 50.   My bow I limit to 45 and shoot 6" groups then and it would have to a perfect shot to even consider it.  Ive killed with the crossbow from the ground and from a stand and have held it on a deer - last year - for a few minutes to get the right shot.  I can have most anyone shooting bulls with my xbow in 3 shots or less - the compound takes a whole lot of practice. I would certainly like to see xbow open with a dr note though for those that cannot draw a bow.  - which in itself proves it is easier to use.   

Hell there is even an academy in Western NY for bow practice, havent seen it open to crossbow yet.  Lol  

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10 hours ago, nyslowhand said:

... Yes, historically a Xbow projectile was called a bolt, but a lot of name brand Xbow mfgers refer to them now-a-days as arrows. In your defense Eddie I do see Easton/Beaman call them bolts, while Gold-Tip does NOT call them either a bolt or an arrow. Confusing!?! Over past ~5yrs bolts &/or arrows for Xbows has sort of become an interchangeable term. Same mfgering process, material, diameter, weight choices for vertical bow & Xbow use, simply shorter with different nocks for Xbows. Not something I'm going to get obsessed over, what to call my Xbow projectile. Tomato.. Tomato', Puhkahn....Peecan. You call it a bolt, I know what you're talking about if we're discussing Xbows!!!!!

you'd think for simple marketing and customer satisfaction they'd keep the delineation. I'd hate to make a hasty purchase of arrows for my compound only to get a package of crossbow bolts in the mail. Until they're identical in nature, they should be labeled and marketed separably. 

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20 hours ago, fasteddie said:

Did some checking . They are BOLTS . Victory makes arrows for bows and Bolts for crossbows .

https://www.victoryarchery.com/CROSSBOW/

I also re-checked their website. Apparently, they have two offerings for crossbow projectiles. One is the Victory XBolt and one is the Voodoo. I think they are using the Bolt term as a marketing name. Further down the page they have charts  / features under a heading of Victory Xbolt Crossbow arrow and Voodoo Crossbow arrow. They are certainly free to call their product whatever they wish. However, I stand behind my original assertion. 

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9 hours ago, Belo said:

you'd think for simple marketing and customer satisfaction they'd keep the delineation. 

I believe there is a little more than merely semantics. Most Xbow mfgers refer to them as arrows. Possibly attempting to keep their products more in line with vertical bow archery. Marketing smoke n mirrors.

I'll admit to being guilty of buying wrong items when in a hurry or not paying attention! Shouldn't be an issue with Xbow projectiles. Don't recall ever seeing unfinished Xbow bolts/arrows. You're always prompted or it's clearly displayed on pkging their length, either 20" or 22". Not to mention you have to specify a nock style, either flat or 1/2 moon. Agreed.. would make things so much less confusing if Xbows used apples and vertical bows used oranges.

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For the very best arrows made (IMO), I highly recommend Jerry at Tapp Nation. You can buy whatever you want... including  shafts and/or custom arrows. All he does now-a-days is make arrows and sell Scorpyd crossbows. His shop is over towards Tampa on the west coast of Florida. I've been there and talked extensively with him. Great guy. He also frequents Crossbow Nation.

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 Good news!!  Same as status applied to assembly bill!!

Assembly Bill A7627A has been assigned a "Same As" bill in the Senate: S5818A

Assembly Bill A7627A

Relates to hunting and hunting licenses; repealer

Sponsor:

WOERNER


Recent Actions:

    Review A7627A on NYSenate.gov
 

What this Means:

In New York State, both the Senate and Assembly must pass a bill before the Governor can consider it for signature (approval) or veto (rejection). S5818A is an identical version of A7627A in the Senate. Experienced observers know that a bill with a “same as” in the alternate house is an important early sign that a bill could pass both the Senate and Assembly. It indicates that individual lawmakers in each house are supportive of the bill.

What Happens Next:

The committee may amend the bill to satisfy concerns of committee members, leave it as is, or refer it to another committee for further deliberation. The bill may be reported to the full Senate chamber for consideration if a majority share of the committee members support it. If a bill has not been addressed by the committee by the end of the two-year legislative term, the bill is said to have 'died in committee'.

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I've hunted almost everyday of my life.. the rest have been wasted!

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On 5/17/2019 at 6:23 AM, Robhuntandfish said:

 I actually love the way the seasons are setup right now cause i like to hunt with everything bow, xbow, gun. 

So if they were fully included in bow season, what would change for you? You'd still have the same implements and the same choice the day you walked out the door. No?

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On 5/17/2019 at 7:16 PM, nyslowhand said:

I believe there is a little more than merely semantics. Most Xbow mfgers refer to them as arrows. Possibly attempting to keep their products more in line with vertical bow archery. Marketing smoke n mirrors.

I'll admit to being guilty of buying wrong items when in a hurry or not paying attention! Shouldn't be an issue with Xbow projectiles. Don't recall ever seeing unfinished Xbow bolts/arrows. You're always prompted or it's clearly displayed on pkging their length, either 20" or 22". Not to mention you have to specify a nock style, either flat or 1/2 moon. Agreed.. would make things so much less confusing if Xbows used apples and vertical bows used oranges.

Looking back when I first started bow hunting the arrows I used were different that anything that was used in a crossbow of that time. The Bear Whitetail 2 that I shot didn't generate nearly the pressure on the arrow that the crossbow did on a bolt. I think the same could be true way back in history. With the modern advances in vertical bow technology the construction is about identical now except for length. 

 A buddy had a crossbow in early 90's and we were shooting the same arrows as each other out of our vertical bows. His crossbow was just for plinking and one day the dope loaded in one of his 2413 arrows he shot out of his Vertical. Those 2413's were pretty stiff then and were like Lincoln Logs. He is lucky he came away with no injuries becasue that arrow blew apart on the trigger squeeze. 

The Full Metal Jacket arrows I shoot out of my compound is identical construction to the Full Metal Jacket "bolts" they sell based on description and construction sizes, just shorter. That might account for some of the terminology switching. 


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15 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

So if they were fully included in bow season, what would change for you? You'd still have the same implements and the same choice the day you walked out the door. No?

I would certainly use the crossbow if it was allowed in all of bow.  For me at least it's a better weapon and I really enjoy mine.  It's one of my favorites to hunt with.  I enjoy the bow and would still keep it and use it.  But the crossbow would take most of it's time. 

So many people want to change the seasons all different ways. I enjoy all of them. But generally I would use the implement that has the best chance of taking a deer if given the choice and for me an Xbow is a click above the bow.  Less variables. 

I have places I hunt that are bow only so having xbow gives me more of a choice.  But no matter the season I will use what is determined. I just like them all. But once gun season opens I use that and don't go back to the bow.  It would be the same for crossbow for me most of the time.  The crossbow might be my favorite now.  I've done very well with it. 

 

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I believe the terminology change is simply for the legislators.  They do not have a back ground so bolt sounds foreign and exotic to them and they wonder why it should be in archery..arrow is simply common and less intimidating. 


I've hunted almost everyday of my life.. the rest have been wasted!

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