Don_C

Encounter with a neighbor today

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Oh I know, not a bad photo of you and I wasn't knocking anyone, just saying it added to the confusion big-time for me. I personally was debating going with Grew-a-lot, but I actually miss her so I didn't want to stir the pot in hopes she will return some day.

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13 minutes ago, The Jerkmann said:

Another new username for me coming up as well. 5th one will probably be the last-LOL!

THIS $HIT IS GETTING REDICULOUS !

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3 minutes ago, Don_C said:

Oh I know, not a bad photo of you and I wasn't knocking anyone, just saying it added to the confusion big-time for me. I personally was debating going with Grew-a-lot, but I actually miss her so I didn't want to stir the pot in hopes she will return some day.

At least, I have proof that , I took a Fall Gobbler last Fall as the tagged Tom is in the pic with me. 

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I definitely would contact DEC officer. Get it on record and tell DEC you dont want them to speak to the neighbor yet.  If (or WHEN) something happens in the future there will be a record of this clown and his actions. It cant hurt whatsoever... and can only potentially help you. I would not hesitate.

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Done. Name changed, FatBoy is gone forever, along with the bike that inspired it! I sure miss it.
 
 
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Love Fatboys hate the damn solid wheels. On a windy day you're constantly fighting the wind to stay where you want to be. No idea why they would ever make a solid wheel. Other than that Fatboys are one of my favorite bikes to ride

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1 minute ago, Al Bundy said:

I definitely would contact DEC officer. Get it on record and tell DEC you dont want them to speak to the neighbor yet.  If (or WHEN) something happens in the future there will be a record of this clown and his actions. It cant hurt whatsoever... and can only potentially help you. I would not hesitate.

That seems like fair approach.  Just be ready to talk to him again, as it sounds like you will likely encounter him (and others) as the season goes on.  Be clear with your statements, that things have changed on the property.  You lease it, have sole permission to hunt, and will not tolerate trespassing or shooting over the line.  This guy should not be rewarded because he lives nearby, used to hunt there, or doesn't bow hunt.  His goal with the initial encounter was to find out who you are, and how much he can get away with.  Hopefully he realizes things are different this season.  If any nonsense continues after the second encounter, you certainly wouldn't be out of line to involve authorities.   

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In ur original post u said he threatened u. What did he actually say? It's important if LE gets involved. If it was an actual threat and u feel threatened an order of protection will solve things for u but create a shit storm for him.


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To be clear if the description in first post was accurate, he did brandish a weapon. Not only is that grossly illegal but also a clear and fast indicator that this guy is an abject fool, so who knows what he'll do. Did he really play out a scenario in his mind in which a chat about property lines descends into a life or death gun fight? 

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17 minutes ago, b3h said:

In ur original post u said he threatened u. What did he actually say? It's important if LE gets involved. If it was an actual threat and u feel threatened an order of protection will solve things for u but create a shit storm for him.


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Well to begin with he walked into my driving path holding a rifle. Clearly an attempt to intimidate me. He was not hunting and was on our property. I considered that to be threatening.

He said was carrying the rifle in case he ran into trouble and gave me a look, again, trying to intimidate me no doubt, but maybe he meant the bear everyone says lives there. I don’t know, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

When I stated that we will respect property lines and expect the same he said he didn’t know what I was telling him and said I am an armed citizen and no one is taking anything from me.

There was no doubt that he was trying his best to bully and intimidate me with a gun in his hand.

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4 minutes ago, Core said:

To be clear if the description in first post was accurate, he did brandish a weapon. Not only is that grossly illegal but also a clear and fast indicator that this guy is an abject fool, so who knows what he'll do. Did he really play out a scenario in his mind in which a chat about property lines descends into a life or death gun fight? 

EXACTLY. 

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And I wish I would have paid more attention to the gun, but didn't break eye contact with him. It could very well have been a mini 14, Not sure why I assumed it was a ruger .22, which would have made more sense if he was afraid of a bear.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Don_C said:

Well to begin with he walked into my driving path holding a rifle. Clearly an attempt to intimidate me. He was not hunting and was on our property. I considered that to be threatening.

He said was carrying the rifle in case he ran into trouble and gave me a look, again, trying to intimidate me no doubt, but maybe he meant the bear everyone says lives there. I don’t know, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

When I stated that we will respect property lines and expect the same he said he didn’t know what I was telling him and said I am an armed citizen and no one is taking anything from me.

There was no doubt that he was trying his best to bully and intimidate me with a gun in his hand.

 

I've got to say, I find this the most interesting thread on this forum in quite a while.  I do hope you keep us posted on what materializes from all this.  I know there wouldn't be a chance in the world I'd ever want to have a beer with this clown after approaching you like that and saying that type of crap he said.  Just stepping out in front of you, on YOUR property holding a gun in such a fashion alone is a threat in my opinion.  As if he was protecting something that is his.  That is BS right there.   I don't look for trouble or like trouble, but I would not let this guy get away with this.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jeremy K said:

Got any in mind ? You should let the forum pick it for you.

I vote for stormy


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16 minutes ago, Don_C said:

Well to begin with he walked into my driving path holding a rifle. Clearly an attempt to intimidate me. He was not hunting and was on our property. I considered that to be threatening.

He said was carrying the rifle in case he ran into trouble and gave me a look, again, trying to intimidate me no doubt, but maybe he meant the bear everyone says lives there. I don’t know, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

When I stated that we will respect property lines and expect the same he said he didn’t know what I was telling him and said I am an armed citizen and no one is taking anything from me.

There was no doubt that he was trying his best to bully and intimidate me with a gun in his hand.

i think we all know what his intentions were, but you'll never prove he wasn't hunting... although it was a .22 so i dont know haha. carrying a rifle in the woods would be considered normal (dont many of us do it?). If he showed up to your door, that'd different. Again, we all know his intentions, but it's what you can prove that matters. 

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1 hour ago, Jeremy K said:

Got any in mind ? You should let the forum pick it for you.

Going along with the temp thread derailment, how do you change the wording just below your screen name? Mine says "elite hunter" which strikes me as kind of pompous as I don't think I'm an elite anything.

Is it related to post count or some such?

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5 minutes ago, steve863 said:

Just stepping out in front of you, on YOUR property holding a gun in such a fashion alone is a threat in my opinion. 

again, because we're all talking dec and police... this isn't his property. it's a lease. and yes that does matter, especially with regards to how official the lease is. 


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1 minute ago, Steuben Jerry said:

Going along with the temp thread derailment, how do you change the wording just below your screen name? Mine says "elite hunter" which strikes me as kind of pompous as I don't think I'm an elite anything.

Is it related to post count or some such?

you should be a dick like me


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2 minutes ago, steve863 said:

 

I've got to say, I find this the most interesting thread on this forum in quite a while.  I do hope you keep us posted on what materializes from all this.  I know there wouldn't be a chance in the world I'd ever want to have a beer with this clown after approaching you like that and saying that type of crap he said.  Just stepping out in front of you, on YOUR property holding a gun in such a fashion alone is a threat in my opinion.  As if he was protecting something that is his.  That is BS right there.   I don't look for trouble or like trouble, but I would not let this guy get away with this.

 

 

 

I'm glad I could spice things up a bit, but I'm already tired of talking about it! I'm getting all torqued up about it again reading all of these replies. I have decided to call the ECO in the area and just talk with him or her (depending on which one calls me back). I will approach it as asking for advice, not trying to make a problem. At least that way they will have a history if something does come of this. I won't be intimidated by this guy and his son, but I sure as hell am not getting into an altercation of any sort over it. I'm going to talk to the DEC, not the Sheriff and let it settle until the next time we see him.

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3 minutes ago, Belo said:

i think we all know what his intentions were, but you'll never prove he wasn't hunting... although it was a .22 so i dont know haha. carrying a rifle in the woods would be considered normal (dont many of us do it?). If he showed up to your door, that'd different. Again, we all know his intentions, but it's what you can prove that matters. 

He told me he was carrying it in case he ran into trouble. He was not hunting. But you are right, it didn't strike me as odd until his motive became clear.

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4 minutes ago, Belo said:

again, because we're all talking dec and police... this isn't his property. it's a lease. and yes that does matter, especially with regards to how official the lease is. 

It is a very official lease from a large lumber company that states it is my responsibility to keep all persons other than those listed on the lease off the property unless accompanied by one of those listed on the lease agreement.

Edit: I will verify that tonight though.

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2 minutes ago, Belo said:

again, because we're all talking dec and police... this isn't his property. it's a lease. and yes that does matter, especially with regards to how official the lease is. 

It may not be Don C's property, but he has the rights to it.  Something that the clown idiot doesn't have.  Technically he has no right to even step on it.

 

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2 minutes ago, Don_C said:

He told me he was carrying it in case he ran into trouble. He was not hunting. But you are right, it didn't strike me as odd until his motive became clear.

 

1 minute ago, Don_C said:

It is a very official lease from a large lumber company that states it is my responsibility to keep all persons other than those listed on the lease off the property unless accompanied by one of those listed on the lease agreement.

 

just speaking from a purely legal perspective. protection could mean protection from animals. rabid coons, bears, feral dogs. and Your property it is not. remember OJ went free. That's all you ever need to know about our justice system :)

i think you've arrived at the best path forward regarding contacting the dec and asking advice from them, not us goofs :)

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1 minute ago, steve863 said:

It may not be Don C's property, but he has the rights to it.  Something that the clown idiot doesn't have.  Technically he has no right to even step on it.

 

again i agree. but it's still important when dealing with the law

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15 minutes ago, Belo said:

you should be a dick like me

My wife already calls me that at times. And then acts like she doesn't get the joke when I respond with "wife wants what?"

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