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Encounter with a neighbor today

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4 minutes ago, steve863 said:

It may not be Don C's property, but he has the rights to it.  Something that the clown idiot doesn't have.  Technically he has no right to even step on it.

 

Thank you for not calling me Fat!

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4 minutes ago, Don_C said:

Thank you for not calling me Fat!

If I called you fat, I'd have to call both Jerkman(n)'s jerks!

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Belo said:

again i agree. but it's still important when dealing with the law

I'm glad you looked at it from that perspective. I did have the lease scanned and on my phone. I'm going to print and carry the page that states: NO OTHER PERSONS SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE OR OCCUPY THESE PREMISES UNLESS:... I really think i'm going to try to reason with him and maybe even be able to leverage the lease as the "bad guy".

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4 minutes ago, steve863 said:

If I called you fat, I'd have to call both Jerkman(n)'s jerks!

 

 

 

I just wish one of them would bring back the  "beat my meat" signature!

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16 minutes ago, Don_C said:

It is a very official lease from a large lumber company that states it is my responsibility to keep all persons other than those listed on the lease off the property unless accompanied by one of those listed on the lease agreement.

Edit: I will verify that tonight though.

Is it Danzer? They wont even talk to you. They will keep referring you to the leasing agent and they wont/cant do squat. Youd think when a new property gets listed theyd at the very lease post it. But they dont


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41 minutes ago, Steuben Jerry said:

One vote for Woods Roadster with an avatar of a camouflage rat rod.

I have something in mind. The Swamp Creek is a good Avatar however.

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There is no “ brandishing of a weapon “ in NYS , we do have Menacing however .  He’d have to,prove gun was loaded  and the neighbor had the intent to use it unlawfully against another .

 Since nothing was recorded , and his words were vague, and in fact took it out of his hands and leaned it against a tree , nothing can be done legally about first contact imho as just a smuck on a forum .

 

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Is it Danzer? They wont even talk to you. They will keep referring you to the leasing agent and they wont/cant do squat. Youd think when a new property gets listed theyd at the very lease post it. But they dont

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I have something in mind. The Swamp Creek is a good Avatar however.

Sorry if I ruin the surprise but I have been threatened by Sweet Old Bill that my name will he used....Tool



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Just spoke with the ECO. He said no laws were broken from the DEC standpoint but he advised to call 911 immediately if the guy is even the slightest bit aggressive or threatening at our next encounter. The State Police will be there quickly he said. That is not a ECO matter.

He then explained in detail how to post the property correctly so they can be charged even if they trespass, and to call him immediately if we have pics or catch of him or his son taking any game across the line, or even trespassing if we wanted to go that far.

Nothing illegal about having a gun on you in the woods at any time in NYS for those who are using the term brandishing. Acting in a threatening manner is another story he said.

So this is a wrap for now, going to finish posting this weekend and hope for the best, but will be very clear about respecting the lines when I see him next



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27 minutes ago, crappyice said:


Sorry if I ruin the surprise but I have been threatened by Sweet Old Bill that my name will he used....Tool



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My vote is he goes back to Sweet Old Bill.

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1 hour ago, Don_C said:

My vote is he goes back to Sweet Old Bill.

I concur. This name swapping is a bunch of.. bs.. maybe fun for some...I must have missed the initial point, seems pretty immature for adults?

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2 minutes ago, ncountry said:

I concur. This name swapping is a bunch of.. bs.. maybe fun for some...I must have missed the initial point, seems pretty immature for adults?

It was funny for a couple days, then it got annoying. Its hard enough to keep trackof people when they dont swap their names, let alone when they do

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It was funny for a couple days, then it got annoying. Its hard enough to keep trackof people when they dont swap their names, let alone when they do

I agree I made the initial swap and then realized I couldn’t change back for 30 days... I’m happy to be chef again


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2 minutes ago, Chef said:


I agree I made the initial swap and then realized I couldn’t change back for 30 days... I’m happy to be chef again


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When I saw you were back to chef i thought to my self "finally" lol

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You will learn a lot this bow season. You will adjust stands. They didn't put those box stands in that place for no reason. There are deer moving in that area and you might want to move a stand or two over there. If you do they need to know not to shoot in that direction. Can't trust people and I guarantee they shoot onto your property. They also will trespass after they pattern you. Get some trail cams up high so they don't notice. The last thing I can say if this guy is really a jerk he will make bow season a headache for you. Cutting wood, sighting in guns and riding quads early morning or late afternoon. Nothing illegal but as hunters we wouldn't do this to our neighbors.  He doesn't want you shooting a big buck or bear before gun season. That is worst case scenario. It could all work out and he becomes a good friend. He just didn't start it off in the right direction. Sorry I don't remember if you exchanged cell numbers? All my neighbors have each others number to call and get the ok to track animals. 

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On 9/7/2019 at 4:47 PM, Don_C said:

“I brought this in case I ran into any trouble” and looked at his 22 rifle. I knew what he meant.

Was he on your property?  If yes, then he should be aware that under the new red flag law his ability to posses firearms is in jeopardy with his first brandishing (See 2.(D) from NYS Red Flag law below) a firearm on your property with the threat if "he ran into any trouble" (See 2.(A) from NYS Red Flag law below)?  Trouble on property he was technically trespassing on?

New York States Red Flag states:

2.  IN  DETERMINING  WHETHER  GROUNDS  FOR  A  TEMPORARY  EXTREME RISK PROTECTION ORDER EXIST, THE COURT SHALL CONSIDER  ANY  RELEVANT  FACTORS INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE FOLLOWING ACTS OF THE RESPONDENT:

  (A)  A THREAT OR ACT OF VIOLENCE OR USE OF PHYSICAL FORCE DIRECTED TOWARD SELF, THE PETITIONER, OR ANOTHER PERSON;

  (B) A VIOLATION OR ALLEGED VIOLATION OF AN ORDER OF PROTECTION;

  (C) ANY PENDING CHARGE OR CONVICTION FOR AN OFFENSE INVOLVING THE USE OF A WEAPON;

  (D)  THE RECKLESS USE, DISPLAY OR BRANDISHING OF A FIREARM, RIFLE OR SHOTGUN;

  (E) ANY HISTORY OF A VIOLATION OF AN EXTREME RISK PROTECTION ORDER;

  (F) EVIDENCE OF RECENT OR ONGOING ABUSE OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES OR ALCOHOL; OR

  (G)  EVIDENCE OF RECENT  ACQUISITION OF A FIREARM, RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR OTHER DEADLY WEAPON OR DANGEROUS INSTRUMENT, OR ANY AMMUNITION THEREFOR.

 

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2 hours ago, ATbuckhunter said:

It was funny for a couple days, then it got annoying. Its hard enough to keep trackof people when they dont swap their names, let alone when they do

You change your name , I don’t recognize that name posting , no birthday thread started by me ^_^

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16 hours ago, Don_C said:

I'm glad you looked at it from that perspective. I did have the lease scanned and on my phone. I'm going to print and carry the page that states: NO OTHER PERSONS SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE OR OCCUPY THESE PREMISES UNLESS:... I really think i'm going to try to reason with him and maybe even be able to leverage the lease as the "bad guy".

point of it is this. if you wanted to enforce trespassing laws, or take action related to him for illegally accessing the land, it would need to be the timber company. Him threatening you is a you vs him legal issue for sure. But him encroaching on private property, even if leased has to be dealt with by the land owner. Now I'm not a property lawyer so I could be wrong, but I'm 90% sure that's how it works. Again the DEC should give better advice. 

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13 hours ago, ncountry said:

I concur. This name swapping is a bunch of.. bs.. maybe fun for some...I must have missed the initial point, seems pretty immature for adults?

it was really just one guy who did it a lot. and then summer bordum. 

you guys don't swap as adults? 

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18 minutes ago, Belo said:

it was really just one guy who did it a lot. and then summer bordum. 

you guys don't swap as adults? 

Ya,but we use the same names ...

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16 hours ago, Don_C said:

Just spoke with the ECO. He said no laws were broken from the DEC standpoint but he advised to call 911 immediately if the guy is even the slightest bit aggressive or threatening at our next encounter. The State Police will be there quickly he said. That is not a ECO matter.

He then explained in detail how to post the property correctly so they can be charged even if they trespass, and to call him immediately if we have pics or catch of him or his son taking any game across the line, or even trespassing if we wanted to go that far.

Nothing illegal about having a gun on you in the woods at any time in NYS for those who are using the term brandishing. Acting in a threatening manner is another story he said.

So this is a wrap for now, going to finish posting this weekend and hope for the best, but will be very clear about respecting the lines when I see him next



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Set up concealed Cameras..... I bet this guy will try and remove your posted signs....  And... put a camera On the Camera!  lol

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Definitely post the property... but you can also do this:

Q. Must I post to keep people off my property?

A. No. Trespassing is illegal even on unposted property. Instead of posting, a landowner or other authorized person may issue written notice to another informing them that they are prohibited from a property. The notice must contain a description of the property, what restrictions apply (hunting, fishing, trapping) and the person or persons prohibited from entry. It should be delivered by certified mail or other processes to prove that the person was served. At any time, anyone asked to leave the premises, posted or not, by the landowner, occupant or other authorized person, must do so immediately.

 

 

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