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DEC Proposes Potential Future "Holiday" Deer Hunt


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1 minute ago, dbHunterNY said:

Part of the local snowmobile club here. Private landowners will decide if they want trail open or closed at that time. Anyone hunting or riding through is at the mercy of their decision. It doesnt change the problem with people riding when trails are deemed closed due to lack of snow, spring like conditions, or whatever. Only thing that seems to help is locked access gates put up by clubs. There is literally no other way to keep the public off trails maintained by clubs at the appropriate times to not piss off landowners. It's a bitch session that happens every year at club meetings this doesnt change the business that will need to be conducted as usual.

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It just pushes it later, making the people that much more eager to ride.  I know all about it, been involved with the local snowmobile clubs for 27 years.  I also have trails that cross my property.

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4 minutes ago, Rack Attack said:

It just pushes it later, making the people that much more eager to ride.  I know all about it, been involved with the local snowmobile clubs for 27 years.  I also have trails that cross my property.

If they push this through you closing your trail til the hunting season is over?

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3 minutes ago, phade said:

If they push this through you closing your trail til the hunting season is over?

Yep, and I'm sure the majority of my neighbors will be as well.  Another point to be made, the local clubs will push the trail opening back.  You have to understand, clubs are totally volunteer, do you think they have the manpower to call every single landowner along all the miles of trail they have to check and see if it's okay to open the trail on a certain date?  It take them all year to obtain the general permission to use the peoples land.  The clubs can't take the chance that there is a land owner on each of their trails that will be upset and shut the trail off, so they will just keep them closed for another week.

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16 minutes ago, Rack Attack said:

The fact is, none of the snowmobile trails in the southern zone will be opened until this season is over it has nothing to do with any percentages of land.

It absolutely has everything to do with percentages. Scrapping the idea because it might affect a SMALL % of the huntable lands is unrealistic.  

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16 minutes ago, Rack Attack said:

Yep, and I'm sure the majority of my neighbors will be as well.  Another point to be made, the local clubs will push the trail opening back.  You have to understand, clubs are totally volunteer, do you think they have the manpower to call every single landowner along all the miles of trail they have to check and see if it's okay to open the trail on a certain date?  It take them all year to obtain the general permission to use the peoples land.  The clubs can't take the chance that there is a land owner on each of their trails that will be upset and shut the trail off, so they will just keep them closed for another week.

Sounds at least like there is a good plan in place then.

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1 hour ago, mowin said:

Was at my local gun shop today, and they were saying that this has passed...

Searched but couldn't verify. Has anyone heard anything or confirm??

If it did it wouldnt be till next year 2021 anyway.. as of now the snow outlook is not good and trails wont be open til febuary at this rate..

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A good friend of mine is an ECO. He said that the reason for the four day hiatus is to give the ECO’s a break for the Christmas holiday.  He’s not a big fan of the idea from a work point of view but says it would probably produce a good deer take as so many people are off of work for much of that time.

I’m all for it. More time in the field is always a good thing.

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7 hours ago, mlammerhirt said:

I was under the impression it was proposed for this year.....where did you see it was for 2021?

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Its for next year ,proposed future hunt..not this year, comments were taken this year

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27 minutes ago, G-Man said:

Its for next year ,proposed future hunt..not this year, comments were taken this year

Can you provide a link?  Not trying to bust your chops, but my local DEC officer said it's for this yr if it passes. 

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1 hour ago, G-Man said:

Its for next year ,proposed future hunt..not this year, comments were taken this year

 

1 hour ago, mlammerhirt said:

I looked last night too......I am pretty sure it's for this season. Dec wants people out hunting.

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It is proposed for this year, as one of the “Alternatives” is “No change for 2020, but add this season into the draft deer management plan to implement in 2021.”

 

Bring it on, can’t wait. Really hope they get it added this year and all years to come.

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7 hours ago, mowin said:

Can you provide a link?  Not trying to bust your chops, but my local DEC officer said it's for this yr if it passes. 

It wouldnt make it this year as would need to be in syllabus,  the offical release states future i havent seen any referance to this year except fot the comment period this year.https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/121333.html#:~:text=The New York State Department,26 through Jan.

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4 minutes ago, G-Man said:

It wouldnt make it this year as would need to be in syllabus,  the offical release states future i havent seen any referance to this year except fot the comment period this year.https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/121333.html#:~:text=The New York State Department,26 through Jan.

That's what I'm seeing also. But no mention of it starting in 2020 or 2021.  Just mentions when public comments end.

Makes sense it would be next yr.  

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Each year the snowmobile folks contact our attorney about running the trail through our property, here’s his response.


Virtually every year the club asks for permission to route its winter trail system through the farm. I decline routinely. Although the club pitches insurance coverage and crop replacement and property damage repair in the spring, and touts the generic NYS recreation statute as A level of protection from owner liability, my view is best avoid volunteering an opening that may go wrong or invite some creative lawsuit if a rider ends up seriously injured or dead. 

 
I would never allow on my own land. 
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On 11/24/2020 at 9:24 PM, mlammerhirt said:

Looks like it can still be a go for this year as per this article in NY outdoor news.3b7c8b68296be06ddf38e08892a2a3a7.jpg

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Where does it say it's a go for this year?  I can't see how it could be.  This plan is supposed to change when muzzleloader season is to take place, and you can't change the dates now so close to the muzzleloading season.  The dates are set in this year's regulations and you'd have many who would have no idea that the dates now changed.  You'd have people hunting with muzzleloaders the day after regular season closed when they would not be allowed if this new rule was put into effect this year.  Could these people now face a summons since they were only following the dates set in this year's official regulation booklet??  No way will this change happen this year.  

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