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1st DEBATE: Trump vs Biden On 9/29/2020. TUESDAY NIGHT.

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24 minutes ago, Chef said:


Let me ask you this, you are a smart guy. At some point with all the crap that comes out about this man.... it can’t all be fake. The world is not out to get him like he would lead you to believe. Do you really think this Billionaire Born with a silver spoon is really a man of the people or even gives a shit about what is good for the people. Come on man. Admit that there is a good chance most of this is true... admit he is a horrible president. He has done a great job of getting people to believe there is a radical left that actually wants to make America socialist.... BTW that’s a lie too at least from any main stream candidates.

Wake up, grown and stop defending this idiot


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It may be true after all that "some of what somebody said" is true. But I can't say that he's a horrible President, although I do think he has the personality of a brick. 

I still like the policies and EO's he's put out. I'll vote for whichever guy keeps that going.

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1 hour ago, Chef said:

admit he is a horrible president

Well as I remember what platform he ran on and his policies.

 

Lets start with the middle east and his horrible use of the term "radical Islamic terrorists" a mess as I remember, thousands of deaths in Syria, gassings, videos of ISIS beheading people, a pilot filmed being burned alive, Iran stopping  boarding ships including an American military boat taking photos of them kneeling. Not so much of that kind of horseshit lately.

North Korea relationship is better

Bringing troops home

Ripping up the Iran Deal

Jerusalem as promised finally recognized as Israel's Capital

A peace deal with two Arab countries with more to come which buy all measures is a huge deal.

Promises made promises kept.

China being called out for their theft of just about everything

Lets move on to Europe and NATO, paying their fair share of the budget. Sure they are all pissed off they have been free loading for years, the open wallet policy has stopped and they are anting up!

Promise made promise kept!

NAFTA trade deal scrapped and redone more equitably for the USA

Promise made Promise kept!

Immigration, was not long ago caravans of illegals were pouring through Mexico and into our country for free everything. Worked with Mexico to slow that mess down.

Build that wall!, not as much as he would like but it is steadily being done and according to the border patrol it works great.

Promises made Promises kept.

Energy independent

Cutting Taxes

Scrapping useless choking regulation

Rebuilding the depleted military

Standing with and by Law enforcement and is for law and order

Pro Hunting and Second Amendment, rescinded Obama's last days in office sneaky lead ammo ban.

Promises made Promises kept!

Supreme Court Judges, The Icing On The Cake, Three Conservative Aces!

Promises made Promises kept!

From my perspective he did what he said he was going to do and is  a great president, I could not be more pleased.

Al

 

 

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1 hour ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

Here’s a good one the New York Times payed $0 dollars in taxes also in 2017 on $111 million in earnings.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/fedex-tax-break-fedex-ceo-fred-smith-challenges-new-york-times-leaders-to-debate-over-tax-claims/

Why must these points become so convoluted with you? Someone mentioned that Gates claimed that his secretary also pays more in income tax than he does.  What they (was this you?) missed was that Gates said this in making the case for raising capital gains taxes. 

Some people are willing to compromise to no end so long as 1 promise is made (ie. the promise to work to impinge on women’s reproductive rights). Trump’s core competency has been to build and market a persona while his team leverages it for profit. We've seen what happens when VC purchase companies with the sole intention of milking them dry. Look at Remington.

It’d be great, and in accordance to historical precedence, if Trump disclosed his taxes so that we could make the assessment about the legality of his proceedings and whether his approach to business is exemplary of how we would like a president to behave (ie. transactional, fraud, over-leveraged). 

You strike me as someone who would demand that a welfare recipient take a drug test before picking up their check. What do they have to hide? Extend this logic to Trump, why not disclose his taxes, what does he have to hide? It looks like the picture is becoming clear. 

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1 hour ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

Not sure how what I stated was idiotic, but I am glad I know how you feel about my opinion. If you simply google how a book deal is structured you would be incorrect in your statements as most book deals are not a predetermined amount. Do you think the company negotiated 10 million to lose money on selling 300000 copies at this point I would not allow neither you nor the publisher To do my taxes. Now if you can find million dollar “middle class” Joe Biden’s contract I will take a look, at the link but it looks like you are giving incorrect opinion information here please follow up with factual information if you would like to sway my “idiotic opinion”.

I’m not sure what the hang up here is or what contrived point you’re trying to make about Biden’s ethics but it’s standard practice for publishing companies to sign substantial book deals and advances to prominent figures well before their books hit the shelves. 

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2 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

So in your fiction the Democrats are the war hawk neocons? You just make shit up as you go along

Obama’s drone wars in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria iraq  while cheering the attack on Libya. also caused Egypt's  almost civil war . you don't follow much news do you . Compare that to trump who stopped them and got peace in middle east  wake up kid , not to mention obama was asking troops to fight  then throwing them under the bus if they made a mistake  on the battle field . 

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1 hour ago, Steuben Jerry said:

Hah, like the NYT is "top notch". Maybe years ago, but no longer. 

I couldn't care less for the outcome of their "findings" regardless of your presumptuous, condescending BS accusation. 

They have too many stories attributed to unnamed sources, No traceability, just like The Enquirer.

And I live my life just fine, troll.

You’ll be hard pressed to find better journalism than the NYT’s. Although I appreciate many of their editorials, it’s important to see the distinction between journalism and opinion pieces. 

Source protection is particularly pertinent now, given Trump’s vindictiveness and abuse of power. But unlike with Trump (or with tabloids), where lying goes mostly unpunished outside of small private settlements, the viability of the NYT and other reputable news outlets is almost entirely dependent on their journalist  integrity. Errors are made, and they swift to correct them. Don’t worry, in due time sources will come forward, some perhaps even via lucrative book deals that 9jNYstarkOhio can puzzle over. 

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6 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

You’ll be hard pressed to find better journalism than the NYT’s. Although I appreciate many of their editorials, it’s important to see the distinction between journalism and opinion pieces. 

Source protection is particularly pertinent now, given Trump’s vindictiveness and abuse of power. But unlike with Trump (or with tabloids), where lying goes mostly unpunished outside of small private settlements, the viability of the NYT and other reputable news outlets is almost entirely dependent on their journalist  integrity. Errors are made, and they swift to correct them. Don’t worry, in due time sources will come forward, some perhaps even via lucrative book deals that 9jNYstarkOhio can puzzle over. 

yea sure :rolleyes:

Reuters) - Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim has become the largest shareholder of New York Times .

 

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

Obama’s drone wars in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen and Syria iraq  while cheering the attack on Libya. also caused Egypt's  almost civil war . you don't follow much news do you . Compare that to trump who stopped them and got peace in middle east  wake up kid , not to mention obama was asking troops to fight  then throwing them under the bus if they made a mistake  on the battle field . 

Lol, and Trump waits to throw our troops under the bus once they become loser POWs. Or become losers for enlisting.

You can’t decry Obama for starting a drone program against ISIS and then celebrate Trump for carrying it forward. 

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1 minute ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Lol, and Trump waits to throw our troops under the bus once they become loser POWs. Or become losers for enlisting.

You can’t decry Obama for starting a drone program against ISIS and then celebrate Trump for carrying it forward. 

yea we see that is why he got them better pay and  benefits then Obama did plus keeping them out of endless wars in the middle east because he hates them .:rolleyes:

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

yea we see that is why he got them better pay and  benefits then Obama did plus keeping them out of endless wars in the middle east because he hates them .:rolleyes:

You’re arguing that because our troops supposedly got a moderate, scheduled raise Trump is entitled to insult them? Is Trump’s laudable service as commander in chief the reason why effectively all past Republican National Security Officials are endorsing Biden?

https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/ 

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1 hour ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Why must these points become so convoluted with you? Someone mentioned that Gates claimed that his secretary also pays more in income tax than he does.  What they (was this you?) missed was that Gates said this in making the case for raising capital gains taxes. 

Some people are willing to compromise to no end so long as 1 promise is made (ie. the promise to work to impinge on women’s reproductive rights). Trump’s core competency has been to build and market a persona while his team leverages it for profit. We've seen what happens when VC purchase companies with the sole intention of milking them dry. Look at Remington.

It’d be great, and in accordance to historical precedence, if Trump disclosed his taxes so that we could make the assessment about the legality of his proceedings and whether his approach to business is exemplary of how we would like a president to behave (ie. transactional, fraud, over-leveraged). 

You strike me as someone who would demand that a welfare recipient take a drug test before picking up their check. What do they have to hide? Extend this logic to Trump, why not disclose his taxes, what does he have to hide? It looks like the picture is becoming clear. 

Please take the time to read before you comment I did mentioned buffet said this and he has stated it for decades (he said this to bring it to attention) I guess I could have explained that for you. Also I stated that “I am not saying this is right” I also stated in the 47 years Biden’s been in office why has he not addressed these tax loopholes? care to fill me in. This does not seem convoluted to me as I had given a example of the “news source” that this not new “news” is coming from also not paying any taxes on it $111 million earnings I can find you multiple more examples if you need. But this one seemed to be the most relevant as they wrote this story and are doing the exact same thing. Just as I stated before all big and small businesses use these loopholes it seems to me you are the one who can not follow this non complex information.

Reproductive rights are not my main reason for voting for trump.

I would agree if trump release his tax that would be great but what business is opening up their taxes. As far as legality again the IRS audit goes back a decade with no charges so at this point I will take it as they haven’t found anything yet. But I will continue to take into consideration my taxes, my job and my lifestyle to make my decision on who to vote for. 

I should not strike you as anything as again you know nothing about me but if you are ever in 9j during hunting season as I am usually there for 2 or 3 weeks hit me up and than you can get to know me but I would refrain from making any assumptions until then.

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34 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

You’re arguing that because our troops supposedly got a moderate, scheduled raise Trump is entitled to insult them? Is Trump’s laudable service as commander in chief the reason why effectively all past Republican National Security Officials are endorsing Biden?

https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/ 

you are insane if you believe that bs  .

that's  actually something a press person would say  pretty obvious,  you know the type that hangs  out  at coffee shops  then protests  riots for  defunding cops  the far left  hates cops and  military  because  those are 2 of the only gov  institutions they don't control . 

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20 minutes ago, phantom said:

you are insane if you believe that bs  .

that's  actually something a press person would say  pretty obvious,  you know the type that hangs  out  at coffee shops  then protests  riots for  defunding cops  the far left  hates cops and  military  because  those are 2 of the only gov  institutions they don't control . 

You saw the lines along which Trump attacked McCain. There isn't even a need to interpret his opinion, he told us himself repeatedly. Trump is so tactless he couldn't even walk his way out of that one.

Coffee shop reporters, ew. It's all tribal with you, no need for facts or logic.

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44 minutes ago, 9jNYstarkOH said:

Please take the time to read before you comment I did mentioned buffet said this and he has stated it for decades (he said this to bring it to attention) I guess I could have explained that for you. Also I stated that “I am not saying this is right” I also stated in the 47 years Biden’s been in office why has he not addressed these tax loopholes? care to fill me in. This does not seem convoluted to me as I had given a example of the “news source” that this not new “news” is coming from also not paying any taxes on it $111 million earnings I can find you multiple more examples if you need. But this one seemed to be the most relevant as they wrote this story and are doing the exact same thing. Just as I stated before all big and small businesses use these loopholes it seems to me you are the one who can not follow this non complex information.

Reproductive rights are not my main reason for voting for trump.

I would agree if trump release his tax that would be great but what business is opening up their taxes. As far as legality again the IRS audit goes back a decade with no charges so at this point I will take it as they haven’t found anything yet. But I will continue to take into consideration my taxes, my job and my lifestyle to make my decision on who to vote for. 

I should not strike you as anything as again you know nothing about me but if you are ever in 9j during hunting season as I am usually there for 2 or 3 weeks hit me up and than you can get to know me but I would refrain from making any assumptions until then.

This notion of Biden having done nothing in 47 years is so ridiculous that nobody even bothers to refute it. Tax policy and adjusting capital gains tax is in perpetual debate and has appeared in many bill proposals.

Your argument is convoluted because the FedEx CEO is not running for president. His actual business acumen or ethical standards are not immediately relevant on the national stage.

The question is not exactly whether Trump paid no income tax because his earnings came through other means or because he wrote off loses. The point is that the protections in place that ensure that presidents don't use their political office for personal gain while in power operate largely through norms. One of these norms is releasing tax records. Without this financial trail it is impossible to determine whether his policies are designed to benefit his personal bottom line. 

Now, I get it, if you're a Trump fan you believe that he has sacrificed so much to help save America. He's a saint who would never do anything unethical or illegal. If you're not enamored with him, his history of misdealings and unethical behavior make us question his methods and motives. Let's not guess based on our tribal affiliations or beliefs. There are ways to actually verify this, and it begins with a release of tax records. This is merely 1 example of why Trump is unfit for office and why so much of the Republican establishment has endorsed Biden.

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It may be true after all that "some of what somebody said" is true. But I can't say that he's a horrible President, although I do think he has the personality of a brick. 
I still like the policies and EO's he's put out. I'll vote for whichever guy keeps that going.

Read this article... it says he best. There are two options here. He is either a horrible business man who is unfit to run a country after he lost hundreds of millions... either that or he is a criminal who broke laws to evade taxes. Read this article all the way through and tell me what you think


https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/28/trump-taxes-fraud-business-failure/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Rum-167PvPcnW5S1O5fbeYZO-qa9n-_kgnIvMEtPI4T2d4W5JqD847h0


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11 minutes ago, Chef said:


Read this article... it says he best. There are two options here. He is either a horrible business man who is unfit to run a country after he lost hundreds of millions... either that or he is a criminal who broke laws to evade taxes. Read this article all the way through and tell me what you think


https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/09/28/trump-taxes-fraud-business-failure/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2Rum-167PvPcnW5S1O5fbeYZO-qa9n-_kgnIvMEtPI4T2d4W5JqD847h0


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Can't read - don't have a WaPo subscription (and never will). Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is not. He would have been brought down by now if he was evading taxes. There's an old saying when managing business tax obligations; the goal is not to make money, but break even higher and higher.

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    Trump needs to come out on that Stage and--- Swing For The Fences!!! 

    I hope Trump is Tough on Biden from the get go so Biden never gets any Momentum built up.

    If Biden " cuts in" while Trump is Speaking, I hope Trump gives that back " Twice over".

     I am hoping to hear Trump call " Sleepy Joe" out on his Son - Hunter and all those millions he made in China as well as the ( Board) he sat on where, I could probably have done a better job. And again--- the Money just rolled in for Hunter...

            TRUMP- 2020!

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10 minutes ago, Steuben Jerry said:

Can't read - don't have a WaPo subscription (and never will). Tax evasion is illegal, tax avoidance is not. He would have been brought down by now if he was evading taxes. There's an old saying when managing business tax obligations; the goal is not to make money, but break even higher and higher.

Here are a few sentences from one of these news sources that includes a quote from another Republican:

While Republican lawmakers dodged questions about Mr. Trump’s taxes, and the reliably friendly morning show “Fox and Friends” enlisted his press secretary and his oldest son to comment, a few others in the party weighed in. John Kasich, the former Republican governor of Ohio who has endorsed Joseph R. Biden Jr., told CNN that the article could affect blue-collar voters who are not yet decided.

“These folks are scraping to make a living and they’re going to wake up to find out this incredible mogul paid $750? I don’t care what his excuses are,” Mr. Kasich said on “Anderson Cooper 360.” “It doesn’t pass the smell test. It’s not going to disrupt those people who were for him totally. They’ll still be for him. But it’s those people on the fence.”

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Anybody in business usually has good accountants. Good accountants know the loopholes. If my accountant wasn't finding and using the loopholes, I'd find another that does. That is the way it is. Blame the people that write the tax laws, not the people that use them!

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5 hours ago, Chef said:

admit he is a horrible president.

ONLY president to accomplish this and it is a big deal to the American people. He isn't perfect for sure but has done things for the country others have not or would not be willing to tackle.

European countries starting to pay their fair share for NATO         Previous U.S. administrations did not pressure other member nations to contribute to NATO, Trump has said. Only the U.S., U.K., Poland and Estonia contributed to NATO defense funding prior to Trump assuming office.

Countries who have historically been delinquent in meeting their NATO defense spending commitments will now be paying up. They will now be contributing between $130 billion and $400 billion over the next three years.

Senior administrative officials from the White House said that since Trump has taken office, the Allies have added over $100 billion in new NATO defense spending. In 2016, four member countries spent 2 percent of GDP on NATO defense; now, there are nine.

Trump has long criticized the organization, which now has 29 members, for being primarily funded by the U.S. for far too long. The U.S. has paid roughly 22 percent of NATO’s direct spending, more than any other member nation. It’s paid even more in NATO’s indirect costs, according to NATO budget information.

I know you won't but...think about it

 

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5 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

You saw the lines along which Trump attacked McCain. There isn't even a need to interpret his opinion, he told us himself repeatedly. Trump is so tactless he couldn't even walk his way out of that one.

Coffee shop reporters, ew. It's all tribal with you, no need for facts or logic.

McCain was a politician  and one guy also a warmonger 

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5 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

This notion of Biden having done nothing in 47 years is so ridiculous that nobody even bothers to refute it. Tax policy and adjusting capital gains tax is in perpetual debate and has appeared in many bill proposals.

Your argument is convoluted because the FedEx CEO is not running for president. His actual business acumen or ethical standards are not immediately relevant on the national stage.

The question is not exactly whether Trump paid no income tax because his earnings came through other means or because he wrote off loses. The point is that the protections in place that ensure that presidents don't use their political office for personal gain while in power operate largely through norms. One of these norms is releasing tax records. Without this financial trail it is impossible to determine whether his policies are designed to benefit his personal bottom line. 

Now, I get it, if you're a Trump fan you believe that he has sacrificed so much to help save America. He's a saint who would never do anything unethical or illegal. If you're not enamored with him, his history of misdealings and unethical behavior make us question his methods and motives. Let's not guess based on our tribal affiliations or beliefs. There are ways to actually verify this, and it begins with a release of tax records. This is merely 1 example of why Trump is unfit for office and why so much of the Republican establishment has endorsed Biden.

here  joke on this guy  .

trump-gets-third-nomination-for-nobel-peace-prize

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-gets-third-nomination-for-nobel-peace-prize_3516917.html

 

how many peace  prizes did  biden get in 47 years 

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3 hours ago, avg. joe said:

Anybody in business usually has good accountants. Good accountants know the loopholes. If my accountant wasn't finding and using the loopholes, I'd find another that does. That is the way it is. Blame the people that write the tax laws, not the people that use them!

yep that just shows trump was a good business man  and he uses that same business sense to run the economy and country  it works  for the most part !!! only thing that messed   him up  was the china virus which nobody was going to stop lets face it and biden was not going to do anything better if he was in charge  except hide in the basement  and take more bribes from china to not talk about it .

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