US Capital Lock Down

[G-Man]

Well i hope the judical branch takes up some of these new laws that will be created and listen to arguments on past laws.  They maybe the last stop gap 

[Trial153]

If you think whataboutism somehow softens or justifies what took place yesterday and has been incited by the president since before any ballots where cast, then I suggest some serious self introspection is in order.

And I said the same about anyone justifying the looting and riots regardless of why they started the response was wrong..

 

In this case the president of the county has undermining the very institutions and premises it would founded on. and quite frankly I have watched over the last two years some Americans, some that I think highly of, act in cult like defense of the indefensible.

 

Now you know what it looked like when Caesar crossed the Rubicon. Every american regardless of ideology and opinions need step up and defend the republic or you will in fact find yourself on the doorstep of dictatorship.

 

 

 

 

[wildcat junkie]

15 hours ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

These terrorists aren’t the best and the brightest that the Republican Party has to offer. These are the chumps who couldn’t get into the military so now they prance around in combat gear pretending to have purpose.  

I’m excited to see a new Republican Party emerge once the smoke from the smoldering rubble that is Trump and Trumpism clears.

At least they're not wearing masks. Let "Darwinism" sort them out.

"Natural selection" at work here.

 

Super spreader event. Too bad the LEOs are being exposed by these deranged imbeciles.

Edited January 7, 2021 by wildcat junkie

[steve863]

9 minutes ago, Uncle Nicky said:

Then it IS your side, whether you want to admit or realize it. I do understand NY would have gone blue whether you voted for Trump or not, but by not voting or casting a wasted vote, you are part of the problem. Blame it all on Trump if you want, it may or may not make the next 4 years a little more tolerable, I guess that's your choice to make.

 

I surely would have voted against Biden if anyone other than Trump was on the republican ticket.  I tried hard to give Trump a chance in the previous 4 years but I simply could not cast my vote for him.  The guy is a complete nutjob and the last few days have proved this more than ever.

 

 

 

[Shoots100]

2 hours ago, BowmanMike said:

BLM protests didn't storm the senate and were not incited by a sitting president.

No, they were only bailed out and lauded for their bravery by the left, including Harris.

The same people calling for order, are the same people that defunded the Police, voting for them makes perfect sense.

 

 

[Uncle Nicky]

3 minutes ago, steve863 said:

 

I surely would have voted against Biden if anyone other than Trump was on the republican ticket.  I tried hard to give Trump a chance in the previous 4 years but I simply could not cast my vote for him.  The guy is a complete nutjob and the last few days have proved this more than ever.

 

 

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-13/if-you-think-trump-is-our-problem-you-have-trump-derangement-syndrome

You got your wish. Blame it all on Trump if it makes you feel better, but I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, especially if we can't trust the election process. 

[Trial153]

No, they were only bailed out and lauded for their bravery by the left, including Harris.

The same people calling for order, are the same people that defunded the Police, voting for them makes perfect sense.

 

 

And the same people that calling for law and order were not desecrating the capital and undermining the citizens of united states and their republic that represents them.

 

Whataboutism doesn't work. Its intellectually vacant and in this case morally wrong.

 

[steve863]

16 minutes ago, Trial153 said:

In the case the president of the county has undermining the very institutions and premises it would founded on. and quite frankly I have watched over the last two years some Americans, some that I think highly of, act in cult like defense of the indefensible.

 

 

Read article in link below.  In my mind the former Marine General gives the most accurate and honest assessment of what has transpired in the last few days.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/james-mattis-statement-trump-capitol-protests

[Shoots100]

8 minutes ago, Trial153 said:

If you think whataboutism somehow softens or justifies what took place yesterday and has been incited by the president since before any ballots where cast, then I suggest some serious self introspection is in order.
And I said the same about anyone justifying the looting and riots regardless of why they started the response was wrong..

In the case the president of the county has undermining the very institutions and premises it would founded on. and quite frankly I have watched over the last two years some Americans, some that I think highly of, act in cult like defense of the indefensible.

Now you know what it looked like when Caesar crossed the Rubicon. Every american regardless of ideology and opinions need step up and defend the republic or you will in fact find yourself on the doorstep of dictatorship.
 

Maybe if the Dems weren't hell bent on defunding the Police and inciting riots in 2020 without any care to Joe public, this wouldn't have happened ?

I condemn this riot, like I condemned all of the riots, it's just that it's hard to take the left's hard stance on it now, when they were praising their rioters last year, even bailing them out of jail and chastising police for arresting rioters.

 

 

 

[steve863]

4 minutes ago, Uncle Nicky said:

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-05-13/if-you-think-trump-is-our-problem-you-have-trump-derangement-syndrome

You got your wish. Blame it all on Trump if it makes you feel better, but I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, especially if we can't trust the election process. 

Absolutely everyone has a fixation on Trump.  You guys don't?  LOL. Isn't attention what he always desperately seeks above everything else?   When one seeks attention it better be more positive than negative or else it may doom you.

 

 

[Trial153]

Maybe if the Dems weren't hell bent on defunding the Police and inciting riots in 2020 without any care to Joe public, this wouldn't have happened ?
I condemn this riot, like I condemned all of the riots, it's just that it's hard to take the left's hard stance on it now, when they were praising their rioters last year, even bailing them out of jail and chastising police for arresting rioters.
 
 
 

Maybe if you had something other than whataboutisms we can have a meaningful conversation.

Nothing that took place this year justified what happened yesterday nor excused the president's actions that incites this.

The same way that none of the past actions excused nor justified the roiting and looting and lawlessness that took place early in the year.

[Trial153]

 
Read article in link below.  In my mind the former Marine General gives the most accurate and honest assessment of what has transpired in the last few days.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/james-mattis-statement-trump-capitol-protests

I am in agreement with him, and Mattas isnt alone in this belief.
And yet you will have Trump cultists denouncing mattas or anyone that speaks out against reprehensible tactics as a traitor ect.
It's insane.

[Shoots100]

1 minute ago, Trial153 said:

And the same people that calling for law and order were not desecrating the capital and undermining the citizens of united states and their republic that represents them.

 

Whataboutism doesn't work. Its intellectually vacant and in this case morally wrong.

 

Whataboutism ? Another Liberal socialist term for the new world order dictionary.

There were tens of thousands of Americans of all backgrounds there peacefully protesting for hours before the riot happened.

Some of those same lawmakers were the ones bailing out the rioters of last year, So what about that ?

I guess we'll selectively forget those past transgressions and focus on the now ?

Wake up.

 

[Trial153]

 

 

 

Whataboutism ? Another Liberal socialist term for the new world order dictionary.

There were tens of thousands of Americans of all backgrounds there peacefully protesting for hours before the riot happened.

Some of those same lawmakers were the ones bailing out the rioters of last year, So what about that ?

I guess we'll selectively forget those past transgressions and focus on the now ?

Wake up.

 

 

Thanks for making my case for how cultism around this presidency has permeated and turned people irrational.

 

Shake the bag and insane left and the insane right will fall out the same hole

 

 

 

[cachemoney]

I am sure Iran and other hostile powers were taking note of the stellar "security" yesterday. 

Who needs to fly airplanes into buildings when you can just walk into them assisted by the people who are charged with protecting them.

 

[Uncle Nicky]

18 minutes ago, steve863 said:

Absolutely everyone has a fixation on Trump.  You guys don't?  LOL. Isn't attention what he always desperately seeks above everything else?   When one seeks attention it better be more positive than negative or else it may doom you.

 

 

Some people look at the big picture, some don't.  Most people I talked to (I don't know you so I won't profile) that were pro-Biden really couldn't explain why they wanted a senile, corrupt, career politician as our president. The only answer I got every time was they didn't want Trump because "he's rude" or "he's not nice to women". Nobody seemed to care that all the troops were home, ISIS was a memory, the economy had gotten much stronger (before Corona was launched on us), or that the truly evil countries weren't flexing their muscles like they did when Obama was at the helm.

So, they voted for corruption. They voted for socialism & higher taxes. They voted for more liberal programs & the national debt to go with it. They voted for a weak government & leader that will back down when the going gets tough. And worst of all, hunters & gun owners voted against their own best interests. And when it looked like things weren't going their way, the election results were kept hidden from us until they somehow turned in their favor. I can't feel sorry for anyone when the full realization of what has actually happened to this country fully blossoms. All I can say is "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Trump".

[left field]

54 minutes ago, wildcat junkie said:

At least they're not wearing masks. Let "Darwinism" sort them out.

I'm so confused by this. How is this guy with the bat not being shot/tased/beaten on the spot?

9 minutes ago, cachemoney said:

I am sure Iran and other hostile powers were taking note of the stellar "security" yesterday. 

Who needs to fly airplanes into buildings when you can just walk into them assisted by the people who are charged with protecting them.

Not if they wear BLM t-shirts.

[Rack Attack]

26 minutes ago, Trial153 said:

Maybe if you had something other than whataboutisms we can have a meaningful conversation.

Nothing that took place this year justified what happened yesterday nor excused the president's actions that incites this.

The same way that none of the past actions excused nor justified the roiting and looting and lawlessness that took place early in the year.

Here in lies the problem, by making the statement that you just made you are promoting and supporting a hierarchy of citizenship.  You're saying that elected members of congress ( a position that used to be a service position for your country, not a career) are more important than the "common" citizen.  This is the real issue for both sides, no one should be held to higher "value" than another.  With you being "okay" with leftist protestors/rioters destroying businesses, homes, monuments, state and federal infrastructure, but now saying its an issue since it's protestors/rioters on the right shows your hypocrisy. 

[Trial153]

Some people look at the big picture, some don't.  Most people I talked to (I don't know you so I won't profile) that were pro-Biden really couldn't explain why they wanted a senile, corrupt, career politician as our president. The only answer I got every time was they didn't want Trump because "he's rude" or "he's not nice to women". Nobody seemed to care that all the troops were home, ISIS was a memory, the economy had gotten much stronger (before Corona was launched on us), or that the truly evil countries weren't flexing their muscles like they did when Obama was at the helm.
So, they voted for corruption. They voted for socialism & higher taxes. They voted for more liberal programs & the national debt to go with it. They voted for a weak government & leader that will back down when the going gets tough. And worst of all, hunters & gun owners voted against their own best interests. And when it looked like things weren't going their way, the election results were kept hidden from us until they somehow turned in their favor. I can't feel sorry for anyone when the full realization of what has actually happened to this country fully blossoms. All I can say is "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Trump".

Some serious logical Fallacies, going on here.

[cachemoney]

13 hours ago, phantom said:

They said she was shot in the neck trying to break in that  is all  they said so far .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/woman-fatally-shot-inside-us-capitol-was-from-san-diego/2489076/%3ffbclid=IwAR2kfqC_5dtOz44ylpDoxCNLpdE2UM21BI9yxwbabgIy9GtgpuxFjBlhqfQ&amp

35 year old Air Force veteran.

There is video of the incident showing her being shot as she tries to crawl into a window while inside the building. 

[Trial153]

Here in lies the problem, by making the statement that you just made you are promoting and supporting a hierarchy of citizenship.  You're saying that elected members of congress ( a position that used to be a service position for your country, not a career) are more important than the "common" citizen.  This is the real issue for both sides, no one should be held to higher "value" than another.  With you being "okay" with leftist protestors/rioters destroying businesses, homes, monuments, state and federal infrastructure, but now saying its an issue since it's protestors/rioters on the right shows your hypocrisy. 

Where did I say I was okay with any other roiting that took place before this.
Show me an example. Because quite frankly you spouted a load of bullshit.

[Uncle Nicky]

3 minutes ago, Trial153 said:

14 minutes ago, Uncle Nicky said:

Some people look at the big picture, some don't.  Most people I talked to (I don't know you so I won't profile) that were pro-Biden really couldn't explain why they wanted a senile, corrupt, career politician as our president. The only answer I got every time was they didn't want Trump because "he's rude" or "he's not nice to women". Nobody seemed to care that all the troops were home, ISIS was a memory, the economy had gotten much stronger (before Corona was launched on us), or that the truly evil countries weren't flexing their muscles like they did when Obama was at the helm.
So, they voted for corruption. They voted for socialism & higher taxes. They voted for more liberal programs & the national debt to go with it. They voted for a weak government & leader that will back down when the going gets tough. And worst of all, hunters & gun owners voted against their own best interests. And when it looked like things weren't going their way, the election results were kept hidden from us until they somehow turned in their favor. I can't feel sorry for anyone when the full realization of what has actually happened to this country fully blossoms. All I can say is "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Trump".

Some serious logical Fallacies, going on here.

So, tell me Mr. Wizard, what bright beacons of hope do you forecast with a Biden/Harris presidency & a completely Democratic congress? 

[9jNYstarkOH]

8 minutes ago, Trial153 said:

Where did I say I was okay with any other roiting that took place before this.
Show me an example. Because quite frankly you spouted a load of bullshit.
 

I guess the question is where did you condemn it as you have this protest today? Show me an example.

[Rack Attack]

11 minutes ago, Trial153 said:

Where did I say I was okay with any other roiting that took place before this.
Show me an example. Because quite frankly you spouted a load of bullshit.
 

The middle statement I quoted previously kidda says it all...

[Trial153]

So, tell me Mr. Wizard, what bright beacons of hope do you forecast with a Biden/Harris presidency & a completely Democratic congress? 

At this point in time, which for me a is commulaition of seeing both these parties act and govern poorly over the last 43 of my existence not much.
I am hopeful that some semblance of commonality can start to be reestablished. For example after watching the debate on the Senate floor for 4 hours last night one can take away that there are still a lot of people that believe in the people and institutions that this county is built upon.
Policy wise, I will have issues and disagreements with this incoming administration just like have with every previous one.