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2 minutes ago, Northcountryman said:

Iraq did go well until Obama screwed up the withdrawal and allowed ISIS to take root, but I think your missing the point:NO TERROSIST ATTACKS ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE.  Yes, weve had a few lone wolves during the Obama years ,but absolutely none during Trumps term.  Also, Trump decimated ISIS.  Successes in Iraq were significant, indeed.

We went into Afghanistan because Bin Laden was hiding out there and intelligence directly connected 911 to al Queda operating there.  I agree we should have done more in Pakistan but that was difficult because there were (technically) our ally in the war on terror- Remeber Musharaff? The dude with the cool hair?

Iran is a threat, of course, but they werent directly linked to 911 and . lets face it, you can only do so much!!

Bombing wouldnt work as Ive stated previously; that would be a waste of resources.  Boots on the ground did, though imperfect, of course. 

Vietnam was botched because of US strategy- if we would have stuck to larger engagementsd, it could have turned out far more in our favor. 

nope no large terrorist attacks on our soil- just 2,300 dead american soldiers.  Sorry i dont see that as a win either. 

If IFs and Buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a Merry Xmas.  Bottom line is those all failed, there was no reason to think Afghanistan wasnt going to be the same.  And it was. 

 

 

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When the entire world disagrees with your point of view on the situation its a pretty safe bet that you're wrong. 

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3 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

nope no large terrorist attacks on our soil- just 2,300 dead american soldiers.  Sorry i dont see that as a win either. 

If IFs and Buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a Merry Xmas.  Bottom line is those all failed, there was no reason to think Afghanistan wasnt going to be the same.  And it was. 

 

 

Well, I guess freedom comes with a price.  All american lives lost, of course, are tragic but in my estimation, better to lose lives over there on their turf as oppsed to losing the lives over here- on our soil, wrecking our cities , destroying our civilian planes. etc. The military operations conducted were a success and were necessary to fight the war on terror , no doubt. I do agree that withdrawal was was the right decision now, 20 yrs later but not the way it was done- it was a disaster.

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I feel bad for the people left behind I really do but Trump signed an agreement with the Taliban a year ago basically promising them we are leaving, don't shoot us on the way out. The people who live there knowing very well what the outcome would be should have gotten their families out then.

And why are there only men trying to board the planes????

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49 minutes ago, luberhill said:

GC makes me laugh, Biden’s speech was a joke !

He blames everyone to start with them ends by saying the buck stops with him..

All he did was read a speech prepared fir him and leave the stage, no questions , as usual… then back into hiding 

He sums up the democratic party perfectly

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44 minutes ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

Biden has a history of being anti nation building. He never wanted to be there in the first place and was against it when Obama and Bush Jr sent in troops. He's the only one who had the balls to pull the plug. All I can say is America can be glad that mindless orange failed game show host isn't in the Whitehouse anymore

Doesnt say much when a tv game show host can keep the country going better then people who made a career out of it.

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1 hour ago, Gobbler Chaser said:

We are at the moment, but not for much longer. So you can go back to your hammock and sip another martini. Read my lips, WE'RE OUT OF AFGHANISTAN

So…. We have thousands of the 82nd and other troops on the ground right now in Afghanistan ..

Read my lips …we are NOT out !!! 
And will never be

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1 hour ago, Northcountryman said:

Well, I guess freedom comes with a price.  All american lives lost, of course, are tragic but in my estimation, better to lose lives over there on their turf as oppsed to losing the lives over here- on our soil, wrecking our cities , destroying our civilian planes. etc. The military operations conducted were a success and were necessary to fight the war on terror , no doubt. I do agree that withdrawal was was the right decision now, 20 yrs later but not the way it was done- it was a disaster.

Afghanistan is one country out of 20 + that are viable threats to the US for terrorism.  Keeping our troops in that one country cannot be the reason that we haven't seen extremist foreign terrorism within our country. Afghanistan is just one small piece of the pie.  It was Homeland security and overseas operatives in multiple countries that we didn't occupy for 20 + years, keeping us safe. 

We had to have an immediate response after 911. But we should've been out by 2002.  But no president wanted to be the one to pull out our response to 911 without having Bin laden. Then once we started nation building our getting out was always going to be mess.

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18 minutes ago, Robhuntandfish said:

Afghanistan is one country out of 20 + that are viable threats to the US for terrorism.  Keeping our troops in that one country cannot be the reason that we haven't seen extremist foreign terrorism within our country. Afghanistan is just one small piece of the pie.  It was Homeland security and overseas operatives in multiple countries that we didn't occupy for 20 + years, keeping us safe. 

We had to have an immediate response after 911. But we should've been out by 2002.  But no president wanted to be the one to pull out our response to 911 without having Bin laden. Then once we started nation building our getting out was always going to be mess.

Youre comparing all 20 as if they were-and still are- equal and they are not.  Afghanistan was the most viable threat for terrorism in 2001 and was largely behind the the 911 attacks, which explains our miliary intervention and response since. 

It may not be the only reason why our country is kept safe but it is undoubtedly one of the major reasons, if not the major reason. In termos of your 2002 timetable for withdrawal , that is simply untenable and not true as such a timetable would allow us no time to effect any form of effective response or make substantial progess. Nation building was never going to happen because the masses are largely ignorant and illiterate.  And the Taliban will bring them back to the 15th century very soon :(

 

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