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I always thought it was because people weren't trapping Coyotes and fox because the hides weren't worth that much, I'm sure I could be wrong. Sounds good anyways

I passed 10 in churchville this morning

 

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5 minutes ago, helmut in the bush said:

The state dropped the bag limit to 1 in Ohio this year, the flocks diminishing here too.

Meanwhile- in New Jersey- one can buy over 20 Spring Turkey Permits if available  over the counter in certain Zones.

  Ohio should have left the bag Limit at 2 Gobblers and dropped 1 week instead.

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1 minute ago, Nytracker said:

Limit one gobbler in the spring . Eliminate season on coyotes treat them as the varmints they are .. year-round pest control.

 

No Way.. Spring Bag Limit is perfect at 2 Gobblers. 

  You may also have forgotten  or did not know that in the Summer of 2014- the Fall Turkey Season in large zones 3 +4 was reduced  in 3 ways. The Fall Season was reduced from 6 weeks to 2 weeks, the Fall bag limit was reduced from 2 Turkeys to 1 Turkey, and 3- the opening date of October  1st was  moved way back to later October.  I believe  October 19 this past Fall of 2021.

So you can see- 7 years have passed to raise Turkey Population  levels as was the original  intention. No more steps are necessary. 

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dare I say it? Why not, what's the worse that can happen people spit at me? Been there done that. Have no seasons for a year or two.

 

Predation is part of the cause, but I keep saying I think the turkey's are moving to new ground. I keep seeing a ton of birds in fields where I never used to see them just 3 years ago. There are more turkey now in the private land I hunt in the NZ that weren't there until a few years ago. I saw a lot of sign up there during the deer season, we hear them every time we camp up there the past three years right down in a gulley behind the camp, I will be hunting up there at least once this May for a weekend, going to set up camp Friday and hunt Saturday and Sunday morning. I saw a flock right next to a parking lot just outside Coxsackie not long ago.

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48 minutes ago, blackbeltbill said:

Ok-- I am going up to Four Seasons Farm or Four Season Whitetails. I get those 2 mixed up all the time.

 I hear there are 27 pound Butterballs up there.

  Joke people- don't  fling darts at old Bill.

Lol. We have some smokers for sure but 27 would be pushing it for sure. And Four Season Whitetails is the name of the farm. 

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20 minutes ago, Nytracker said:

Limit one gobbler in the spring . Eliminate season on coyotes treat them as the varmints they are .. year-round pest control.

 

We have taken a lot of heat on our approach taken on our past Vermin problems but in this neck of the woods it is vermin season control year around. We can plug them causing issues around the animals but most land owners just take it into their own hands on control. 

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21 minutes ago, DirtTime said:

dare I say it? Why not, what's the worse that can happen people spit at me? Been there done that. Have no seasons for a year or two.

 

Predation is part of the cause, but I keep saying I think the turkey's are moving to new ground. I keep seeing a ton of birds in fields where I never used to see them just 3 years ago. There are more turkey now in the private land I hunt in the NZ that weren't there until a few years ago. I saw a lot of sign up there during the deer season, we hear them every time we camp up there the past three years right down in a gulley behind the camp, I will be hunting up there at least once this May for a weekend, going to set up camp Friday and hunt Saturday and Sunday morning. I saw a flock right next to a parking lot just outside Coxsackie not long ago.

No one is going to spit at you. Down here in Orange + Rockland County's- Turkey Population  is extremely  Strong. 

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No Way.. Spring Bag Limit is perfect at 2 Gobblers. 
  You may also have forgotten  or did not know that in the Summer of 2014- the Fall Turkey Season in large zones 3 +4 was reduced  in 3 ways. The Fall Season was reduced from 6 weeks to 2 weeks, the Fall bag limit was reduced from 2 Turkeys to 1 Turkey, and 3- the opening date of October  1st was  moved way back to later October.  I believe  October 19 this past Fall of 2021.
So you can see- 7 years have passed to raise Turkey Population  levels as was the original  intention. No more steps are necessary. 

I think it should stay at 2 birds but they should have to come from different wmu’s or one tag for 1-15th and one tag for 16-31st of the month.


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I think its the degradation of suitable habitat. Now there are pockets of high value habitat and a plethora of marginal. Start working on habitat and you'll see an increase in population. Predation and weather are also impacting as well, but not as much as habitat

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Habitat hasn't changed around here in decades.  But without much trapping going on these days, all predator numbers are way up.  Coyote, coon, fox, skunk, fisher and even crows are doing a number on turkey eggs and poults every year, and the wet spring months don't help either.  Turkey numbers are way down in the last 5 years and the numbers are getting worse.

If you have a lot of turkey around, your predator numbers are probably low, for now.  Once the predators catch up with the flocks, the numbers will fall fast.

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28 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Habitat hasn't changed around here in decades.  But without much trapping going on these days, all predator numbers are way up.  Coyote, coon, fox, skunk, fisher and even crows are doing a number on turkey eggs and poults every year, and the wet spring months don't help either.  Turkey numbers are way down in the last 5 years and the numbers are getting worse.

If you have a lot of turkey around, your predator numbers are probably low, for now.  Once the predators catch up with the flocks, the numbers will fall fast.

Exactly. At one time we were seeing more dogs then deer per sit. When war was declared by so many around here the numbers of dogs dropped and fawns and Turkey numbers went up. But with Ny once again having some pretty stupid laws on the books many landowners will not do what it takes to be rid of the vermin even though they could never be wiped out even open year around. 

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10 hours ago, Buckmaster7600 said:


I think it should stay at 2 birds but they should have to come from different wmu’s or one tag for 1-15th and one tag for 16-31st of the month.


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I agree with you. If New York's population  dropped down to where Ohio's  is right now- that is a viable solution.  Ohio by the way is going to reevaluate  after the 2022 Spring Season. That 1 Spring Tom is not set in stone. I stronger feel Ohio did a great disservice  to its Turkey Hunters. I guarantee alot will take 1 Tom and not report it and report the 2nd Gobbler.

   I like what Alabama  has done for the 2022 Spring Season. The Bag was lowered from 5 Gobblers to 4. AND DECOYS ARE PROHIBITED DURING THE FIRST 10 DAYS OF THE SPRING SEASON.

  Before NY would ever follow the grave mistake Ohio made -- FIRST- 1 Gobbler only the first 15 days of May and # 2 allowed thereafter to the 31st and don't  allow Decoys during the first 10 days of May.

   Right now though- Turkey numbers are very high in my area. All of NY is not in the same boat.

 

 

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Ask 100 hunters, you will get 100 answers.

I've seen pheasant & grouse basically disappear during my stay on the planet called Earth.

Fall turkey hunting probably has the LEAST impact on turkey numbers, but that's where everyone points the finger first. I'm convinced most fall turkeys are killed by guys that are archery hunting for deer & sling an opportunistic arrow out of boredom, and not by dedicated fall turkey hunters. 

Predators, ESPECIALLY avian predators, are probably the biggest culprits. But it seems like trapping keeps the 4 legged predators in check, or at least helps somewhat. 

Then there is terrain changes, farming practices, suburban sprawl, climate changes, maybe some sort of avian diseases that haven't been discovered yet......

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