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I just ordered them too. Thanks for the tip. Told a few friends about it as well.

WOW. I see the intelligence has completely left this forum. Good luck this year everyone.

Bubba, its funny that you see me as narrow minded. I was thinking the same about you. Obviously you were in this conversation for the argument, rather than to enlighten others. I never said "THE GUN is more ethical than "THE BOW" or that "Bow hunters NEED 6 more weeks". I said bowhunting as a whole is more ethical. This proves you are narrow minded. You could have agreed with the previous post, but you found the ONLY point you could argue instead.

Im not going to search the internet for proof. It's common knowledge that there are more gun hunters in the woods. Add a weapon with longer range, in the brushy new york habitat, and you are going to have more deer wounded by a gun.

Maybe its a location issue then. Because where I hunt, there is definitely more wounded with a gun. No question a gun shot placed in the boilermaker is going to drop a deer, just as a razor sharp broadhead slicing through its aorta would. I always find deer during mid season scouting, that have a leg missing, or have been shot in the rear end. I will still hunt with my gun during regular season, but for those of you that haven't really tried to hunt during bow, you should.

Ethical is the hunters responsibility to the animal to make a clean, one shot kill. Listen, I'm not trying to start an argument, or keep one going. I'm simply stating the reality here. I hunt with my pistol during regular season. I even hunt a day or two during muzzleloader. It is fun on opening day. You can't argue with the lack of deer movement after the guns start banging. You can't argue with the amount of wounded deer as result of bad gun shots.

Are there any bow hunters out there? You may be ethical with a gun. Alot of people aren't. How many deer get their leg blown off, or shot in the guts as they run by at 75 yds? If you sit on stand, and have a solid rest, yes, a gun is an ethical choice, sometimes. Unfortunately this isn't the case when after a few days of being shot at, or at least hearing the shots, the deer stop moving and find the thickest cover so the drives begin. Too many wounded deer and mercy kills in my time. Every deer I've shot with a bow has bled out quick and within 40 yds of the shot. But thats because I don't shoot at running deer, or shots out of my range.

I just thought that since you were asking for about 6 extra weeks for the fantastic bow, you might wnt to share some of the bounty. I can tell you are nt into muzzleloading as your statement proves you know very little about them. I am very familiar with muzzleloaders. I hunt with a pistol during regular season. But it seems u don't hunt with a bow. If u did, u would see quite a difference between the seasons. Deer move naturally, following summer feeding patterns during bow. If u hunt a few different spots, and one spot no more than twice in a row before giving it a rest, there is very little disturbance to the deer. Try it, you might actually enjoy patterning a buck and knowing where he is coming from, and where he is going to. However, when you have 200 gun shots within hearing distance on opening morning, I think the deer take notice. I can see I'm wasting my breath here.

300 yd shots are taken quite often during regular season with a rifle. I wasn't talking about inlines, however at 200 yds it is a very accurate weapon if sighted in 3" high at 100. I was just trying to make a point that our bow season is too short. States like Ohio have it figured out. Longer bow season, along with hunters practicing deer management and taking mature bucks, leads to a healthier herd. There are plenty of does to shoot early in the season for meat in the freezer. Bottom line is bow hunting, as a whole, is more ethical, and allows one to hunt deer in a more natural state.

My point with an extended bow season has nothing to do with primitive or compound. With a bow, hunters are not "pushing" deer through the woods, or sitting high on top of a hill over looking a wide open field waiting to take a 300 yard or further shot at an unsuspecting deer. To be successful with a bow, you must spend time getting to know the deer. Your shot is going to be from no further than 30 yds. Scent control becomes imperative. Not to mention the "cooling off" period from the end of regular season until the deer start to regain some sort of natural movement again. I'm not asking for additional tags, just for the opportunity to hunt longer into the season in order to harvest a mature whitetail. Muzzleloading is not my thing, but the same principles apply if the extended season is to include primitive muzzleloaders such as flintlocks, rather than the modern "inline rifles". You still have to be close to put a single lead projectile into the vitals of a mature deer while using iron sights.

A real muzzleloading season, or the way it is now which is basically rifle season? Might as well carry it out with you during regular season.

There are plenty of deer in most areas of New York. If you want to see big bucks on your property, you have to set your own antler restrictions. Adirondacks have a good amount of mature deer, but you really have to work to get an opportunity at one as the land is so vast. I hunt in Niagara County, and always fill my doe tags. I pass on numerous small bucks every year, and have ate my buck tag for the last 2 years because of this. We don't have a problem with deer population, we just have to let small bucks grow bigger. We should extend bow season from Oct 1st to the beginning of gun, and then from the end of gun to Jan 15th. Keeping gun the same. Just my two cents.

I like your notes on the bottom of your comment TheHunter. My friends and I have a big buck contest every year to promote harvesting only mature deer. It is a different mindset if you choose to commit to shooting only wise old bucks, but a decision well worth it. I've grunted in numerous 4 and 6 points in the last few years, but have remained vigilant on harvesting only a mature buck. Sometimes this means no buck at all.

Thanks. It is awesome to see the outdoors growing in our youth.

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