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I just ordered them too. Thanks for the tip. Told a few friends about it as well.

WOW. I see the intelligence has completely left this forum. Good luck this year everyone.

Bubba, its funny that you see me as narrow minded. I was thinking the same about you. Obviously you were in this conversation for the argument, rather than to enlighten others. I never said "THE GUN is more ethical than "THE BOW" or that "Bow hunters NEED 6 more weeks". I said bowhunting as a whole is more ethical. This proves you are narrow minded. You could have agreed with the previous post, but you found the ONLY point you could argue instead.

Im not going to search the internet for proof. It's common knowledge that there are more gun hunters in the woods. Add a weapon with longer range, in the brushy new york habitat, and you are going to have more deer wounded by a gun.

Maybe its a location issue then. Because where I hunt, there is definitely more wounded with a gun. No question a gun shot placed in the boilermaker is going to drop a deer, just as a razor sharp broadhead slicing through its aorta would. I always find deer during mid season scouting, that have a leg missing, or have been shot in the rear end. I will still hunt with my gun during regular season, but for those of you that haven't really tried to hunt during bow, you should.

Ethical is the hunters responsibility to the animal to make a clean, one shot kill. Listen, I'm not trying to start an argument, or keep one going. I'm simply stating the reality here. I hunt with my pistol during regular season. I even hunt a day or two during muzzleloader. It is fun on opening day. You can't argue with the lack of deer movement after the guns start banging. You can't argue with the amount of wounded deer as result of bad gun shots.

Are there any bow hunters out there? You may be ethical with a gun. Alot of people aren't. How many deer get their leg blown off, or shot in the guts as they run by at 75 yds? If you sit on stand, and have a solid rest, yes, a gun is an ethical choice, sometimes. Unfortunately this isn't the case when after a few days of being shot at, or at least hearing the shots, the deer stop moving and find the thickest cover so the drives begin. Too many wounded deer and mercy kills in my time. Every deer I've shot with a bow has bled out quick and within 40 yds of the shot. But thats because I don't shoot at running deer, or shots out of my range.

I just thought that since you were asking for about 6 extra weeks for the fantastic bow, you might wnt to share some of the bounty. I can tell you are nt into muzzleloading as your statement proves you know very little about them. I am very familiar with muzzleloaders. I hunt with a pistol during regular season. But it seems u don't hunt with a bow. If u did, u would see quite a difference between the seasons. Deer move naturally, following summer feeding patterns during bow. If u hunt a few different spots, and one spot no more than twice in a row before giving it a rest, there is very little disturbance to the deer. Try it, you might actually enjoy patterning a buck and knowing where he is coming from, and where he is going to. However, when you have 200 gun shots within hearing distance on opening morning, I think the deer take notice. I can see I'm wasting my breath here.

300 yd shots are taken quite often during regular season with a rifle. I wasn't talking about inlines, however at 200 yds it is a very accurate weapon if sighted in 3" high at 100. I was just trying to make a point that our bow season is too short. States like Ohio have it figured out. Longer bow season, along with hunters practicing deer management and taking mature bucks, leads to a healthier herd. There are plenty of does to shoot early in the season for meat in the freezer. Bottom line is bow hunting, as a whole, is more ethical, and allows one to hunt deer in a more natural state.

My point with an extended bow season has nothing to do with primitive or compound. With a bow, hunters are not "pushing" deer through the woods, or sitting high on top of a hill over looking a wide open field waiting to take a 300 yard or further shot at an unsuspecting deer. To be successful with a bow, you must spend time getting to know the deer. Your shot is going to be from no further than 30 yds. Scent control becomes imperative. Not to mention the "cooling off" period from the end of regular season until the deer start to regain some sort of natural movement again. I'm not asking for additional tags, just for the opportunity to hunt longer into the season in order to harvest a mature whitetail. Muzzleloading is not my thing, but the same principles apply if the extended season is to include primitive muzzleloaders such as flintlocks, rather than the modern "inline rifles". You still have to be close to put a single lead projectile into the vitals of a mature deer while using iron sights.

A real muzzleloading season, or the way it is now which is basically rifle season? Might as well carry it out with you during regular season.

There are plenty of deer in most areas of New York. If you want to see big bucks on your property, you have to set your own antler restrictions. Adirondacks have a good amount of mature deer, but you really have to work to get an opportunity at one as the land is so vast. I hunt in Niagara County, and always fill my doe tags. I pass on numerous small bucks every year, and have ate my buck tag for the last 2 years because of this. We don't have a problem with deer population, we just have to let small bucks grow bigger. We should extend bow season from Oct 1st to the beginning of gun, and then from the end of gun to Jan 15th. Keeping gun the same. Just my two cents.

I like your notes on the bottom of your comment TheHunter. My friends and I have a big buck contest every year to promote harvesting only mature deer. It is a different mindset if you choose to commit to shooting only wise old bucks, but a decision well worth it. I've grunted in numerous 4 and 6 points in the last few years, but have remained vigilant on harvesting only a mature buck. Sometimes this means no buck at all.

Thanks. It is awesome to see the outdoors growing in our youth.

I keep trying but can't

After a long summer of checking trail cameras and putting up treestands, opening day was upon us. My ten year old son, Tyler, and I had decided to work our way into a group of white oaks that were steadily filling the ground with acorns. We have alot of pictures of does and bucks alike, feeding on the acorns, around the 8:00 hour. We set up on the ground in an open area before daylight. About 7:30, we heard footsteps approaching from downwind. I reached to grab my bow, while the deer kept getting closer. I couldn't move for fear she would see me. All of a sudden I heard her blow, as I turned to see her bolt from 15 feet away. Tyler looked at me, shaking, and said, "That was so cool!" We waited awhile, as the doe fed out of sight behind us. Then we saw movement in the brush, 80 yards away. I tipped my can call a few times, and the deer came running right at us. As it stopped broadside at 20 yards, I came to full draw. I asked Tyler, " Do you want me to take it?" He replied with a "YES!" I touched the trigger on my release and saw my arrow disappear into the ribs of the deer only 20 yards from us. Tyler has been hunting with me since he was 3 years old. He has seen me take a 24 pound Tom with an 11" beard, a couple of hens, numerous squirrels and rabbit, but never the elusive whitetail deer. That morning was special, and kept him interested in hunting. After a few disappointing encounters with deer throughout the next week, Tyler and I were on our way into the woods on a Sunday morning, a week after opening day. We came upon a field, and stood, listening. It was too dark to see, but we jumped a deer after taking a step into the field, so we decided to sit here and wait for daylight before heading to our stand. As the sun came up, it was clear that we had to move to our intended stand. After a short walk, we arrived at the stand we had built together a couple months before. I had Tyler ascend the stairs first and get into position. Just as I got to the top of the stairs, and placed one knee on the platform, Tyler whispers, "DEER!" I still had my backpack on, but I pulled an arrow from my quiver and nocked it, in time to see 3 doe heading our way. I waited for the smaller 2 deer to feed out of the way, and came to full draw just as the largest doe turned broadside. I squeezed the trigger and saw my arrow sticking out of her as she ran into the brush. Tyler turned to me and said, " Nice shot, Dad!" as he gave me a high five. We sat and drank coffee, and watched the other 2 deer feed out of sight. Everyone should take their kids hunting. If you don't have any, then take your neices and nephews, or a friends children into the woods. We lose so many young people to video games and cell phones. We must teach our children the ways of the outdoors, escpecially in todays society of technology and gun control. These are the voices of the future.

I know what you're sayin ADK. I hunt the adirondacks once or twice a year. Last year we were at the moose river plains for a long weekend. Woke up with 6" of snow and saw only 2 deer and 2 bear tracks the whole time. My son and I just canoed the 6 miles out to brandy brook flow on the back side of Cranberry lake for the Bear Season opener this year. We saw only 2 deer tracks then too. But we also heard a moose, and saw a bald eagle dive into the lake and grab a fish. There's definitely not as many deer up there, but the beauty of the land and the solitude is unmatched. I've only taken 2 deer in almost 10 yrs hunting Cranberry Lake, Star Lake, and the Moose River Areas.

This is a stand site i have in a little set of pines about 200' x 75'. I hunted a large deer here last year and placed the wick there before they started scraping with trails end #307 scent on it. I don't know what it is about that stuff, but they love it in early season. There's no scent on there now. I just noticed through scouting that they were starting to hit the scrape again and set up my camera.

this is all at the same scrape. look at the size difference of the first 2 bucks.

If you don't have a permit already, u better start the process now. It takes a long time, and a few bucks to do so.

47 pics this past week. Alot of does and these bucks. Moved to another location.

Going to check this weekend. Hope to have some more and bigger.

I'll stick to my muzzy mx-3's. Just not convinced on the bone crushing ability of any expandables. With enough of a helical fletching, the muzzy's fly straight without wandering. I would be interested in hearing about the swhackers though. I see their commercial of them going through plywood on an angle. I know we aren't supposed to hit the shoulder guys but sometimes it happens.

its a burris 1 1/2x- 4x on a taurus mount

My 10 yr old and I are going up to the adirondacks this weekend and hiking in to brandy brook about 4 miles back behind cranberry lake. Its going to be a fun weekend of survival and bear hunting. I haven't been there in over 5 yrs, but it used to be ground zero of a week long trip every year during deer season. The last time I was up there, I shot a 200 lb, 3 pt buck at 7:30 am about 5 miles out towards burntbridge pond, and I didn't make it out of the woods at rt 3 until 4:30 in the afternoon. I can't imagine what will happen if we shoot a bear this time.