you know, a few years ago while during rifle season my younger brother shot a small 6 point with his 300. blew his jaw clean off. didnt kill the deer, luckily, his FIL killed it a little later on. I was very dissappointed. deer was facing him, and it turned his head, and he took a head shot. I coulda punched him in the face, because he knows better. We werent brought up and taught that way. I am not sure of the distance, I never asked. It was an impulsive gotta have it shot. I told him, patience pays off. I was very mad at him for that.