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Would love to attend, but it is about a 6 hour drive from where I live in the Adirondacks.
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Yes indeed, I fear that I am educating him.
I had a great time hunting with "wildcat junkie". Learned a lot as I never hunted turkeys before so I had a lot to learn. I was amazed as to the birds vision. On our first day, as I stepped out behind my blind and was talking to "wildcat", I moved my arm and hand to point out the two turkeys in the neighboring fields. Even with a tree fence line between us those birds caught my motion and off on a run they went.
I have been seeing more and more turkeys in our Bloomingdale, NY area over the years. They are really expanding their range and quantity. In one field near me I routinely see 5-14 turkeys in the morning along with 4-over 20 whitetail. Lots of game behind my house and attached is my trail camera pic of my local Pine Marten or as they are called in Europe, Sable! He loves pork ribs!
Hopefully will be going again next week, once I get started on my "honey-do" list while my wife is in Florida visiting her sisters!
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I just got a call from our police chief, (who I talked to this morning while going to the post office) and he did do some research on this. In the end, a person UNDER 12 years of age, can only shoot a gun propelled by GAS, AIR OR SPRING at a range with the proper supervision as outlined in the 265-20, 7d.
A person who is OVER 12 can shoot a gun propelled by gas, air, spring or GUN POWDER at a range with the proper supervision as outlined in the 265-20, 7d.
Now I finally understand the law as written.
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I run the trap range at our incorporated gun club. I was asked by a prospective attendee if they could bring their 11 year old to shoot trap. I did not know if it was legal for the under 12 year old to shoot. I asked the regional DEC ECO's and got several different answers. One was 16 years, one was 12 years old. After reading the New York Penal Code, specifically 265-20, and then the exception paragraph (7D) I came away with a different answer. Can someone with legal experience in law enforcement or just experience with this situation comment as to WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AGE A PERSON CAN SHOOT AT A NEW YORK STATE INCORPORATED GUN RANGE.
Thanks for any input or comments.
Here is the PARTIALpenal code, as the entire verbiage is TOO LONG to list here....All penal laws can be searched here: http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article265.htm?zoom_highlight=265.20#p265.20
S 265.20 Exemptions.
a. Paragraph (h) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 and
sections 265.01, 265.01-a, subdivision one of section 265.01-b, 265.02,
265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11, 265.12, 265.13, 265.15, 265.36,
265.37 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
1-6 omitted7. Possession, at an indoor or outdoor shooting range for the purpose
of loading and firing, of a rifle or shotgun, the propelling force of
which is gunpowder by a person under sixteen years of age but not under
twelve, under the immediate supervision, guidance and instruction of (a)
a duly commissioned officer of the United States army, navy, air force,
marine corps or coast guard, or of the national guard of the state of
New York; or (
a duly qualified adult citizen of the United States who
has been granted a certificate as an instructor in small arms practice
issued by the United States army, navy, air force or marine corps, or by
the adjutant general of this state, or by the national rifle association
of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly organized under the laws
of this state; or © a parent, guardian, or a person over the age of
eighteen designated in writing by such parent or guardian who shall have
a certificate of qualification in responsible hunting, including safety,
ethics, and landowner relations-hunter relations, issued or honored by
the department of environmental conservation; or (d) an agent of the
department of environmental conservation appointed to conduct courses in
responsible hunting practices pursuant to article eleven of the
environmental conservation law.
7-a. Possession and use, at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located
in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization
organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small
arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or
approved by the national rifle association for the purpose of loading
and firing the same, by a person duly licensed to possess a pistol or
revolver pursuant to section 400.00 or 400.01 of this chapter of a
pistol or revolver duly so licensed to another person who is present at
the time.
7-b. Possession and use, at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located
in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization
organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small
arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or
approved by the national rifle association for the purpose of loading
and firing the same, by a person who has applied for a license to
possess a pistol or revolver and pre-license possession of same pursuant
to section 400.00 or 400.01 of this chapter, who has not been previously
denied a license, been previously convicted of a felony or serious
offense, and who does not appear to be, or pose a threat to be, a danger
to himself or to others, and who has been approved for possession and
use herein in accordance with section 400.00 or 400.01 of this chapter;
provided however, that such possession shall be of a pistol or revolver
duly licensed to and shall be used under the supervision, guidance and
instruction of, a person specified in paragraph seven of this
subdivision and provided further that such possession and use be within
the jurisdiction of the licensing officer with whom the person has made
application therefor or within the jurisdiction of the superintendent of
state police in the case of a retired sworn member of the division of
state police who has made an application pursuant to section 400.01 of
this chapter.
7-c. Possession for the purpose of loading and firing, of a rifle,
pistol or shotgun, the propelling force of which may be either air,
compressed gas or springs, by a person under sixteen years of age but
not under twelve, under the immediate supervision, guidance and
instruction of (a) a duly commissioned officer of the United States
army, navy, marine corps or coast guard, or of the national guard of the
state of New York; or ( a duly qualified adult citizen of the United
States who has been granted a certificate as an instructor in small arms
practice issued by the United States army, navy or marine corps, or by
the adjutant general of this state, or by the national rifle association
of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly organized under the laws
of this state; or © a parent, guardian, or a person over the age of
eighteen designated in writing by such parent or guardian who shall have
a certificate of qualification in responsible hunting, including safety,
ethics, and landowner relations-hunter relations, issued or honored by
the department of environmental conservation.
7-d. Possession, at an indoor or outdoor shooting range for the
purpose of loading and firing, of a rifle, pistol or shotgun, the
propelling force of which may be either air, compressed gas or springs,
by a person under twelve years of age, under the immediate supervision,
guidance and instruction of (a) a duly commissioned officer of the
United States army, navy, marine corps or coast guard, or of the
national guard of the state of New York; or ( a duly qualified adult
citizen of the United States who has been granted a certificate as an
instructor in small arms practice issued by the United States army, navy
or marine corps, or by the adjutant general of this state, or by the
national rifle association of America, a not-for-profit corporation duly
organized under the laws of this state; or © a parent, guardian, or a
person over the age of eighteen designated in writing by such parent or
guardian who shall have a certificate of qualification in responsible
hunting, including safety, ethics, and landowner relations-hunter
relations, issued or honored by the department of environmental
conservation.
7-e. Possession and use of a pistol or revolver, at an indoor or
outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a
duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to
foster proficiency in small arms or at a target pistol shooting
competition under the auspices of or approved by an association or
organization described in paragraph 7-a of this subdivision for the
purpose of loading and firing the same by a person at least fourteen
years of age but under the age of twenty-one who has not been previously
convicted of a felony or serious offense, and who does not appear to be,
or pose a threat to be, a danger to himself or to others; provided
however, that such possession shall be of a pistol or revolver duly
licensed to and shall be used under the immediate supervision, guidance
and instruction of, a person specified in paragraph seven of this
subdivision. -
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I think it was a "pun". You CAN reload .22 ammo, you just need to find some to "reload" your gun with. Get it?
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Hi: I live in the Adirondacks in the village of Bloomingdale, located in Essex County. I have been hunting for over 40 years, am a very active 65, married since 1972, retired from the Air Force and love to hunt. I am a certified New York State Hunter Educator and would like to meet a similar experienced hunter with whom I can partner with.
Usually you don't see this type of topic, but, hey, it does not mean it will not work. Just maybe there is someone out there with a similar need. Here are some of my preferences: I prefer tracking deer, but on occasion will sit early and late in the day. If you followed Larry Benoit and his sons, that is how I like to hunt. I really enjoy the hunt, the shot is secondary. I like hunting small game as rabbits, grouse, and pheasant. I used to have a Brittany that was an excellent dog, but now I have no dogs. I respect all game laws and will hunt all day in areas far off the beaten path. Shooting a deer is not the most important result in my hunts, the enjoyment and quality of the hunt is what matters to me. Why am I looking for a partner? Going alone can be dangerous especially if you get hurt or need help. Then there is always the work after getting a deer. Two people make the job so much easier. I would prefer someone that has a similar past history and lives no more than a 60 mile radius from me. If most of my preferences interest you, send me a message. Thanks for reading and if you have any questions, just send them. You never know.
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Unfortunately there is really nothing you can do to help this deer. Are you sure the leg is broken? Do you see any signs of a compound fracture? If you think the deer is suffering, you can call DEC and they may dispatch it. Hope you find the right thing to do.
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Hmmmm... this video has been used for all sorts of subjects. Still funny, but when it refers to select people on this board, it stops. Not everyone knows those mentioned and it makes the video an "inside' joke. Also, the correct usage is "wear" not "where".....just sayin to check spelling in the sub-titles.
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Wow - this is a difficult topic. So many choices, so many good manufacturers. I see the limiting factor is $$$'s........ You did not say whether you would want new or used? I am sure that there are some good, fair prices out there for a used rifle you want. Personally, I will continue to shoot my 1962 Remington 700 BDL in .308, wood stock and 20" factory barrel! Good Luck in getting your gun.
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I have mine going all year right behind my place. Today I pulled the chips from two cameras, and here are two pics. More to come. The one with the fawn was last year
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More than likely legal, but undoubtely ethics will play role in whether you agree or not with the action.
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And here we have a "nosy" doe.......
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Started a new topic for this year for those who want to share some photos...
You can either post them here, or start a fresh topic for your own photos.
Here a couple of videos of the bucks behind my Adirondack home/camp. I have no food plot or other attractant in the area and these deer are in the deep hard woods. Do you think the 4 pointer early in the season is the same 4 point taken this month? Bow season starts the 27th of September for me.....
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That's a real good buck, and you probably know it!! I hope his genes can be spread before he is taken.
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Hi - So what part of the ADK's do you hunt? I hunt the ADK's also in area 5F and hunting is not the same as hunting downstate where there are lots of fields that provide planted food for the deer.
My suggestion is to get out and scout some areas and get to know the area. Finding a lake or pond would help because it and all the small streams that feed it provide water which all animals need. You will find deer sign there. Some of the areas I hunt have very low deer population density BUT you will find large,mature bucks that don't run miles when surprised by the hunters presence.
Good luck
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WELCOME!
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Hey D, how are u putting them up that high ? U buy the screw in mount n angle em down ... Still brainstorming how I can put em up like 10 ft to keep sticky fingers off of em n angle em down without spending 15+ $ on each mount ..
I mount them with a strap and then wedge a piece of wood between the tree and the camera. Depending on what size of wood you put in place you can change the angle. I use wood (broken tree limbs) that I find in the area where I place the camera. It works and does not cost anything!
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Yes,the video is great with outstanding clarity!!
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Different bucks. That last one is a big mature deer.
OK - that is what I thought too. Hope to see him on my cam again next week. I will post updated pics after Aug 26th......we are leaving for North Carolina in three days......
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Looking great!
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I really interested how deer react to cameras or other non-natural changes made in the deers neighborhood. LOL.....How high is the camera? Seems the one buck is looking right at it. How long has the camera been mounted in it's current position?
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I hiked into our my northern ADK woods to pull the cards from two of my cams. This was after I repositioned them based on a video and some members comments/suggestion that the cams needed to mounted higher than eye level.. I mounted mine at around 7 feet. Was excited to see several bucks from one cam in one area. I did not post all of the videos for as between August 1st and August 9th I had 10 good videos. The other camera needs to be repositioned as the angle is too steep showing a very narrow field of view. I only had one doe on one video. The amount of deer seen by the one cam is really excellent for the ADK woods. We have NO food plots and NO pastures what so ever. This is the most deer I have seen in one area!
Take a good look at the two videos with the larger bucks on them. Are they the same buck? I looked at the videos several times I believe they are different ones. What do you all think?
Well, I relocated one of my ladder stands near this camera.......we will see if these bucks are around during the early bow season which starts September 27th.
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Not sure how big/strong you are but... I have dragged out a 200lb + buck and the antlers were excellent handles. I had 4 other hunters helping me and it was not easy to say the least. Down hills is easy but go through some rough territory and the drag will tire you out... I am about 170 and can pull my weight with no problem but a bear over 250lbs is Extremely hard to move, nothing like a deer. Like Cabin Fever says those things don't come with handles and their fur and claws catch and drag everything! I was told once by the forest ranger how horrible a long drag is and how bad it wears the hide with a heavy bear. He said if they are by the camp WACK them! Deep woods, let them go. If you take one deep in the woods and can't move him, tag, clean and go for help... The cart will work if you can get him in it by yourself... I debate one for deer but doubt I would come out just to get the cart. Good luck! Every time I see one they are running away... Cute when small, adults not so much!
PS: Not sure how experienced you are at hunting/navigating these areas. Map, compass, GPS, proper survival clothes, fire starting items, first aid kit, extra food, flashlights, batteries, bulbs, knifes and rope (possible water purifier) are some essential tools along with woods wise experience to know how to use them and properly navigate even if your compass point the wrong way due to metal in the rocks... Think about getting a partner unless you are confident in your skills, in the ADK it should be extreme confidence as many perish who are ill prepared. NFA - No Fooling Around!!! Good Luck and take pictures!!! Hope you need 7 guys to drag him out!!! Now that would be a story!!!
NFA-ADK is right on the money! Here are my thoughts and input:
Bear hunting in the Adirondacks or for that matter in New York State is sort of a misnomer. Let me explain - Bears are NOT territorial such as the whitetail deer. That being said, it is difficult to "scout" for bear. The best is to look at the NYS bear take statistics and hunt those areas where bear are normally taken. So "hunting" for bear in this state is the luck of the draw and statistics will prove that most bear are taken while deer hunting. You can not bait bear (legaly) in NYS, so the only chance you have is stumbling on one.
As far as shooting one in the ADK back woods, you better have 4-5 people that will help you pull out the bear. As NFA-ADK said, dragging a deer of XXX weight is nothing at all like dragging a bear of the same XXX weight. Even a small bear will take all your strength to get out. They are so flexible that their carcass catches every little stone and twig. The last bear I shot was in the Long Lake area of NYS and getting the bear out was a P.I the A.. I even had two other helping me. On the good side, I like bear meat better than venison. When prepared and cooked correctly, it is great. Bear meat is like beef, short grain and red. Venison is like goat or sheep.....long grain. So cooking them is much different.
I wish you well and if there one hunting area I would head to is the Blue Mountain, Long Lake are of New York State. Look at Rt.28!
Good luck
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Hunters Rendezvous - FREE Event - Huntington Station, NY Sunday August 21st.
in Deer Hunting
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Yes, I know what you mean. I just finished co-teaching 6 weekly hunter education classes at NYS DEC CAMP COLBY and have a public bow class set up for September 9 & 10. Good luck with the event and let me know how it turned out. It sounds like something we can do at our Saranac Lake Fish & Game Club. www.slfgc.com