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Just another plug for the 45-70... there is a reason state troopers went back to 45 cal. from 9mm in their handguns.... PURE STOPPING POWER!! The 45- 70 at honest hunting ranges is a deer killer like no other. Should a deer run off due to a marganal hit the 45 cal diameter hole is a lot better than a 30 cal for leaving a bloodtrail. Plus you using the same gun that knocked down american bision at the end of the 1800's.. they are a lot bigger than a deer!!
If you aren't cleanly killing deer with .30 caliber rifles then something is really wrong!
I might add that the .45-70 didn't have as much to do with the bison as people think. It only came out in 1873 and the southern herd was already extinct and the northern herd was really on the ropes by then. Cartridges like the .50-70 and .50-90 played a far bigger role.
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I've used the 243 for deer hunting through the years. Never killed any deer with one. I know others who kill deer with them and they work. I prefer the .30-06 myself.
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"Unfortunately, 2012 looks more like the days before the Declaration of Independence than the two centuries of freedom that followed the standards set forth in that document."
X2!
Good point.
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If you mean by adequate; barely suitable or as good as necissary than I can tell ya that is the exact reason I stopped useing the 30-30. It wasn't up to the job that I required even though it is a known deer gun. I see the 243 as the same. Sure it will kill deer and do so really well a lot of the time but on those other times there are other more powerful cals that will do a better job. That was my experiance with the 30-30 and the 25-06 and I see no reason to believe that the 243 will outperform them.
Well I agree with what you've said. I used the the .30-30 for a little over a decade and now don't use it at all because I've found the .270 and .30-06 to be quicker killers that leave better blood trail if needed. My BIL has used the .243 for about thirty years and he always gets his deer but not always with one shot and he doesn't always have a good blood trail to follow.
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Same old argument...I could kill a deer or bear with a .22 LR if I put the right shot on them, no question in my mind. But things can go wrong, and often do. Why would you want to go into the woods under-gunned, unless you have a bad shoulder & can't handle the recoil?
Some shooters indeed are undergunned with a .243. Some aren't. Some should probably take up golf instead.
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I have to chuckle whenever I read how ineffective the .243 is on deer or how much "room for error" a bigger caliber gives you. A .243 through the boiler room equals dead deer. If you aren't putting your bullets in the boiler room you are either shooting too much gun or taking shots beyond your talent.
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I've had the most DRT's with the .30-06 and 150 grain factory loads. I've had my deer run the farthest before dying with 180 grains. I've switched to Nosler 125's for this year and I'm anxious to see what they do.
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I wear my Woolrich coat or vest. Red/Black plaid. I'd try Woolrich's website if I was looking to buy more of their clothing.
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Winchester and Remington just sound cheap lol. Go with the Weatherby!
They may sound "cheap" but the Weatherby Vanguard is cheap. And I'd rather have a Winchester model 70 any day over the Mark V's cheap little brother. And I'd rather have the model 70 over the Mark V too.
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Flying into little podunk places like Deer lake, NF, is VERY expensive. I'm sure we could fly to Alaska for less money. It would be even more expensive to air frieght our meat back. One of the advantages of a drive in hunt is that you can bring your meat home without refinancing your house.
Besides, Fungus Face and myself were rendezvousing with 5 Canadian friends in NB on the way up.
Actually, we outdid the normal success rate..Generally the camp we hunted out takes 4 hunters in a week. We knew we were taxing the resource by hunting 7 hunters ( with 5 guides) out of that camp. That was our choice since we wanted to hunt together. If the weather had been more co-operative and the moose moving, I suspect we would have had a good chance of tagging out, with more bulls killed.
I think we did pretty well considering the circumstances.
Windy conditions will certainly put the kabosh to a Moose hunt almost quicker than anything else. If you kill any moose in strong winds you either know what you're doing or are lucky.
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2 questions.
1. Why didn't you just fly up there instead of 22+ hours of driving?
2. in regards to "Our party killed 3 cows and 2 small bulls. Two hunters missed larger, palmated bulls.." Are success rates typically this low with this outfitter? if so, what made you choose them? I see that many Moose outfitters have much much higher success rates for clients on nice bulls...
I can't speak for him but I drive out west when I hunt out there. You miss too much by flying. Half the fun for me is the drive.
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Moose..... my favorite critter to hunt. And also makes the most interesting hunting stories with or without actually getting one. Do you have any pictures to post?
They're my favorite animal to hunt as well. I think I'd rather be hunting Moose without getting any than be successfully hunting anything else. I'm just happier when I'm Moose hunting.
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H&R made a single shot in .450M for a couple years and I had one of them too. I had the H&R in .45-70 as well. Those guns would lay a hurtin' on ya.
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I had a Marlin in .450M. The recoil is much stouter than a .30-06. Even a .300 Win. mag doesn't kick as bad. Still I found the gun to be a lot of fun even if my shoulder didn't agree the day after shooting.
I killed a large Bull Moose with the .450M in '04 and it was definitely my quickest kill I've had on a Moose.
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The 9.3X62 should be perfect for Moose. Go get a big one.
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Gotcha covered, Moosie.. I understand what you are saying, and have no doubt that has been your experience.
However, in my experience, most lung shot and heart shot deer have run a distance regardless of the projectile..I have shot quite a few critters including deer/caribou /antelope with my .280 and 140 ballistic tips @ 3000fps. They basically ran as far as any critters I have shot with other projectiles, including shotgun slugs, with similar hits.
Regardless of bullets or velocity, the only time that my animals seem to fall down right where they stand is when I hit OR PASS CLOSE TO the CNS or shoulders.
For some reason Antelope have always gone straight down when I've shot them. I've shot two with a .270 Winchester and 150 grain loads and two with a .308 and 150 grain loads and they all four were DRT's including one that I killed on a dead run at 125 yards and it somersaulted at the shot. I then shot a whitetail with that same .270 150 grain and had trouble finding it. Good hit but very little blood and the deer traveled over 100 yards.
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Considering there is no reason to put a bullet into the shoulder blade unless you choose to that is not much of a problem.
Ahhh, I should have known. Why didn't you mention earlier that you are perfect? Silly me.
Have a great night.
Not saying I'm perfect. But if the deer is standing still my bullet is not going to end up in the shoulder blade unless I want it to. I've shot enough deer now to feel confident about that fact. I think you felt I was being arrogant but that was not my intent.
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Well good luck and go get your Moose. Nothing wrong with a .280. Heck, I've even considered taking the .270 Moose hunting myself although I still think long and hard about getting a .300 Weatherby before I go for Moose again.
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thanks, I think the goal here is to define brush. Sticks and twigs ain't brush to me, brush that I have in mind is high marsh grass, catails and the like, not so much the understory of the forrest. I would try to pick an opening through that crap (lots of mountian laurel around us to deal with). I'll take an extra 30 grains to deliver the mail with a little higher SD anyday for that sort of crap.
With that being your definition of brush I agree with your choice of projectile. I feel that a 180 will absolutely go through "light brush" and stay on target better than lighter bullets. When you said brush I was picturing saplings and limbs and I don't think bullets that hit such things can be counted on to stay on course.
Also as far as "pencil wounds" go my 180's didn't fail to expand, they just didn't expand to the degree I would prefer. Every deer I ever shot with 180's I found very dead. I just like the DRT results I see with the 150 a lot more.
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Considering there is no reason to put a bullet into the shoulder blade unless you choose to that is not much of a problem.
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More power to you. But I've shot six deer with 180 grain bullets in .30 cal and I can tell you those days are over. The 180 goes in one side and out the other and leaves more of a pencil wound through the deer. The deer then runs and you blood trail him for anywhere from 50 to 150 yards and then you collect your deer.
With a 150 grain you shoot and the deer falls within sight and you walk over and get your deer.
My experience with 180s is the exact opposite. I've shot four deer with 180s from my '06, two with Federal classic SPs and two with Federal HE Nosler Partitions and every one dropped in it's tracks.
On the other hand, both of the bucks I shot with my .450 Marlin just kept walking like nothing happened. One I put three (350 gr Interlocks) through and the other took two (325 gr nerf bullets) before dropping. All were good hits in the boiler room but there was a .458 hole going in and a .458 hole coming out. The weird part was they didn't react at all, never broke stride or acted like they had been hit in any way.
This year I have some 250 grain Barnes TSX FP loaded for the .450 so we'll see how they work. ;D
Maybe you shoot for the shoulder? I tend to go behind the shoulde with my shot placement.
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Actually, weight is far less a factor than construction. The Hot-cor is a reasonibly thin jacket. Its designed to shed weight so there is every reason in the world for it to expand. I wonder what kind of bullets you were using when you were producing pencil hole exit wounds? As an example a 35 Remington is a 200 gr bullet moving at a lower velocity. Take the Hornady Leverevolutions, they are much better constructed than a Hot-cor, I have personally shot deer with this very combo and produced quarter sized exit wounds. I think if you are playing the speed kills game, I fully agree with the 150 gr loading. In fact that is what I load in my bolt action 700 (also a 30-06). A 150 gr. Nosler B-Tip with 59.5 grs of RL-19. Its a scream machine just over 3000 FPS. I would not expect that less massive, lighter, faster 150 gr bullet to get through brush with minimal deflection as the heavier 180 gr will.
I was using the Remington Core-Lokt, Win. Power-Point, and Sierra Pro-Hunter. I don't really buy into any "brush bucking" characteristics too much of one bullet verse another. Too many tests have been done by gunwriters and no real winner emerged. I just try to pick my shots between the brush if I can.
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More power to you. But I've shot six deer with 180 grain bullets in .30 cal and I can tell you those days are over. The 180 goes in one side and out the other and leaves more of a pencil wound through the deer. The deer then runs and you blood trail him for anywhere from 50 to 150 yards and then you collect your deer.
With a 150 grain you shoot and the deer falls within sight and you walk over and get your deer.
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Two holes are better than one.
Not necessarily. I've found that a bullet that disintegrates inside the chest cavity gives drop dead results.
Anyone have a pool? Just some info I found to maintain...
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Yinz need to move a little farther south then you'll appreciate those pools. It's 100 degrees here right now, i just wish I had a pool to jump in!