You are so right the new ones do not feel like the old. If you like the older there are many still around. I have the older .270 and 30/06 both great guns. My brush gun is an 11/87 12 ga. cantilever scope mount smooth bore with rifled choke tube and cheapo Winchester pumkin ball slugs. Awesome combo in thick stuff and has knocked down deer at 150yds. plus. I shoot a lot before season though. But I use a Winchester m- 70 .300 wsm for distance up in canada. If your in most spots bucks prefer, I 'll take the slug gun. Its really not the gun or bow but how much you shoot it to get proficient with it.