bubba

There is a place for time, just county wmu sex month and day and signature saying what you did was all legal under penalty of perjury.

interesting you should bring that up. In the 2009 season, a man was shot at 50 yards in the fog. Mistaken for a deer by a corrections officer. It was 8 am legal light. Does that make it safe umm no. But that is an entirely different situation than hunting/shootig after legal hours. Common sense needs to prevail sometimes. Hunter greed and bragging rights are a togh thing to overcome.

Yes to each his own. But please before day light and after dark was not the issue here. It was legal hunting time that the DEC mandates us to and the gray area 10 minutes before and after. I don't think most guys here would shoot in the dark!!! ok if you want to split hairs. They know when a shot rings out before sunrise and after sunset. Shooting after ours is shooting after hours if tiis 5 minutes after hours or midnight. The law reads the same for both. It doesnt say it is better if it is 5 minutes after. I guess if I were down to a minute or two of legal light, I would lean toward not shooting rather than worry about if I got in in time. Suppose your watch is 5 minutes behind and the dec oficers watch is correct time. umm busted. I hope you do not mentor kids and show them breaking the law is ok. If you are please stop mentoring.

it is illegal as well as unethical. But hey to each his own. My thought is that it is no different than using a light in the middle of the night, or road hunting. It gives us all a bad name. The people who live around you who do not hunt hear those early and late shots. They look at clocks also and know the laws. Then it is every hunter shoots before daylight and after dark. I prefer to be known as a guy who follows the laws. But again to each his own.

Burt, you should not judge others by the set if rules you choose to follow.

and shooting them then is illegal. But it is not my worry. I have shot the majority of my deer between 10am and noon. When others are cming out from the morning hunt, I settle in and wait. They move after the people they have patterned leave. OOPS one guy still here.

I would use trip wires and explosives. It saves having to field dress the deer.

That isthe point Doc, they do not know. Then when someone is shot long before or after legal hours the cry goes out for blaze orange. Last fall here in my area a guy was shot at 7:2PM during early ml season. Sunset was 6:3 or something like that. It was mid October. The other weird part, he was shot by his buddy with a shotgun slug. He has been charged with criminally negligent homocide. His attorney on th enews the other night thinks that is too much as it was just a hunting accident. Huntign accident my ass, it was murder. If you are too tempted to bend no break the laws and want to shoot early or late, stay out of the wood suntil legal hours. Thatway you will not shoot illegally at me or a deer. Human movement is quite heavy during these times also people going in and out of the woods

it is easier to discern a turkey from a human and they have to be much closer to see a beard. A deer shot at dark could be a long shot depending on where you hunt.

the reason for the times is safety. Not only is it harder to identify a safe target, it is easier to shoot the doe when you have a buck tag and vice versa.

my other passion is basketball. I coach 8th grade girls and play in a mens league. When the buzzer goes off at the end of the game, you cant play for another 15 minutes because you might have a chance to win. Rules are rules and laws are laws. You pack up and come back another day to play the game.

your local warden is incorrect according to the regs book. As long as yout gun is unloaded or your bow either unstrung or incapable of firing, you can sit there as long as you want. If that were the case, you could not walk into the woods in the am until sunrise. For me it depends on the situation. If I am in the stand and there are deer around, I wait until dark to sneak out so not to spook them. If things are quiet, I leave the stand at sunset, with my gun unloaded or my recurve unstrung. Which raises another point for am. If you are following the laws, you should not have your gun loaded or your bow ready to use until sunrise. If it is loaded before then, you are technicaly hunting and breaking the law. If you are checked in the woods before sunrise or after sunset, you better be able to prove you can not shoot. I used to carry a compound bow. I would put a padlock around the string so it can not be pulled, so I could not fire an arrow. Now I unstring the recurve to go in and out after legal hours. If yo ufollow the law, you would not have to worry about shooting during illegal hours, as you would not be able to

maybe you should also. Your kids are more likely to get hurt riding in yur vehicle to go to camp than they are in the woods. They have to experience the world sometime. Take a kid fishing or hunting, you owe that much to mother nature! Burt this is your signature. Is it there just for looks?

another brilliant way to prove your point. great response. And btw Pat loves messing withne because I give it right back. And just in case you dont know, you have not said anything intelligent yet, so I am sure the 12 year olds have it all over you. Now until you can give an intelligent fact based argument to prove 12 year olds are not capable of hunting legally and ethically, I will not respond to your babble any longer. I will leave you with some advice my dad gave me years ago. Please think about this and try it ok? It is better to keep your mouth shut and let others think you know nothing, than to keep opening it and proving it.

so sad and btw you brought up my being an instructor and drifted off topic but good attempt to throw the attention away from you. I would still like to see the examples of how 12 years are not capable of hunting. I mean one guy is against this because the kids are more likely to get shot at 12 and you are against it because in infringes upon you. I am glad to see most hunters have common sense.

I am simply pointiong out the reasons you are against this are truly selfish and has nothing to do with the competency of 12 year olds. Give some examples of how they would not be competent then maybe your arguments might have some credence. Other wise it is still all about you.

I have passed deer on opening muzzleloading morning before legal light. A nice doe maybe 15 yards away working her way back into the swamp from the field. After legal light the 6 point following her was not as lucky. I guess you either play by the rules or not. If you do not play by the rules in hunting, how much does that follow you in your other life say your taxes or playing golf or any other sport. If a dec officer nabbed you for shooting early, I bet you would whine about that too. he was out go get you etc or go catch the real criminals. News flash shooting before or after legal light makes you a criminal. Another case of hunter selfishness and disregard for the rules. I could not post pics and brag about a deer I took ILLEGALLY.

No if they were that incompetent, they did not get a certificate, so I did not try to keep them way, I kept them away. My point was and still is the only reason you are against this is that it will ruin your personal hunt, not that 12 year olds are not capable of hunting with supervision, but 12 year old will infringe upon you. My suggestion still stands buy land where no one can ruin your hunt and quit whining.

then I would suggest buy your own land never let anyone on and you can control it all that way. Otherwise stop whining

Burt. so at 14 when it is legal for them to hunt, they are less likely to be shot? I believe if you were so worried about their safety, and it was that unsafe there, you would stay home and not chance getting shot yourself. More weak excuses to keep the young out of the woods so you have more time and deer to yourself or you are extremely paranoid, and should not be carrying a gun anyway.

Wooly, so I guess I am confused here. If a guy and his 12 year old son walk under your stand it is bad, but if the kid was home and the man walked under, it is ok? If not, your point is of no merit. I would think either way the rack buck is gone. Just another case of greed and wanting the woods to one self. I shake my head at some peoples logic and selfishness. All the reasons a 12 year old will ruin his hunt. awww poor Wooly. So far all I have heard is parents are irresponsible, a kid will shoot me and a kid will walk under my stand talking. Pretty weak arguments.

wear orange then. WHY WOULD YOU JUST WANT THE BOW HUNTERS TO UNITE? I would think you would want all hunters to get behind this.

who is supposed to do the recerts? volunteer instructors which there is a shortage of now? Then the classes fill up with recerts and new people get pushed aside. It will never work.

well this died fast

well the two go hand n hand. If you stop sunday hunting in the sz of course, you could go back to monday.