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While we are being honest, let's not forget that these crossbows are firing 420gn bolts over 400 fps. Your statement that "vert bows will be right up with crossbow fps" is misleading, since it would be IBO speeds, meaning 350 gn arrows. Still a significant ballistic advantage for crossbows....even if your 400+fps IBO bow is purely hypothetical as we speak. there might be 2 crossbows out of hundreds on the market today that can launch an arrow of 420 grns over 400 fps. so once again you back your buddy with total BS to support his uneducated ignorant statements.gotta luv this, keep talking, it shows the NY hunting public just what kind of buffoons your anti crossbow crowd really is :D :D LMAO!!!!!

Just pointing out a common dirty tactic for you crossbow pushers. Claim that opposition is "divisive," then falsely claim opponents are "anti-hunters".....which is of course, divisive. but you are an anti hunter which divides you from NY hunters who as a group largely want full inclusion...and yea maybe even giving hunters with disabilities the chance to hunt with crossbows during bow season...

Don't be a fibber. > There are numerous crossbows that launch bolts faster than 400fps. numerous crossbows with an fps faster than 400 fps, well lets be honest, it is Sunday...i would be amazed if you could show me more than 2 that top 400 fps. and besides there are now vert bows that are a few fps away from that same speed????and give it a year or 2 and vert bows will be right up with crossbow fps...you better go back to comparing crossbows with guns, atleast we knew you were just being sarcastic. but with your statement in your above post you just prove your ignorance.......

Guns normally rely on igniting an charge which is the energy behind the projectile, thus the name "firearms"The energy of a projectile fired from a crossbow comes from the stored enegy in a set of bow limbs; big difference. Guns are generally fired by placing the stock into your shoulder, using a scope as an aiming device, then pulling the trigger to "project" the projectile. We can argue symantics all day long, but if you think that a xgun is a bow, then you are mistaken...it is neither, which brings into question the validity of it being included into a season designated for "bow only". Give it it's own season, preferably eating into the rifle season, and be done with it. But, try to bring it into the bow season, and that's where the fight begins. OK Einstein it's a gun right, don't matter it will be in your bow season sooner or later no matter what you wanna call it, get a life....

i'm thinking flingers alter ego is "grows alot", when upset he turns into a yak milking women from central Kazakhstan who babbles incoherently confusing archery equipment with "FIREARMS" ROTFLMAO!!!!!or both of them could just be Doc sitting at the keyboard in a dress :D .

I won't. I don't like loudmouth internet bullies. Sitsintrees has proven himself to be a total joke. NY antler and skyhunter are close behind....all blather and no substance, and nowhere near as clever as they think they are. SteveB and WestNYbuck are sarcastic and close minded, but not total idiots. If you are looking for a rational and reasoned discussion...I don't think we will find one here. hey maybe you and ole Ludmilla/grows alot should meet up and go on a date :D :D ....

this guys rants get funnier with every post, probably used to be a cross dresser comedian back in good old eastern Moldova, betcha she road on stage with a jackass :D :D :D :D hey grows alot didnt you all use crossbows to hunt yaks in your land?? hey i'll bet ya you've milked a yak or two, right???LMAO :D :D

once again NY hunters, here are the bills, call your lawmakers and stop wasting your time with the anti hunting dumbfarts on this site..... http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A00469&term=2011 http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S02973&term=2011 kinda funny how when you look back and see these bills are only a little something to help out hunters in our state that have disabilities, and you have all these anti crossbow wingnuts fighting this like it will be the end of mankinds existence on the planet, what a bunch of losers??????????????

A) Its "rubles" not "rubbles. : You are accusing her of being from Russia...that would be "Motherland," not "Fatherland." : You come across as a racist horse's ass. "God Bless America" and screw anyone who comes from a "Father land or Mother land" and thinks they can spew their baseless, uneducated idealogy about hunting in America. so unless they are from the land of the free they can keep their opinions to themselves.....and if they don't like the way we hunt or the weapons we choose to hunt with let them hunt in some other country.....and as far as referring to me as a horse's ass my response to that is, YOU ARE THE PART OF A HORSE THAT LAYS RIGHT UNDER A HORSES "DOCK"..... LMAO ;D

so come on what country did you high tail from, i'll bet dollars to rubbles it was one where you didnt even have the right to hunt or let alone be out after 8p.m. at night right?????????? so you ran with yer tail between yer legs to come to our great country so you can flap your lips and tell us how to hunt after being here for how long, bet you it hasnt even been a few years right???????maybe you should head back to your fatherland and do some hunting there, huh????? LOL!!

i know this dude who claims he's a women is some kind of foreigner, i'm assuming some former commie eastern block country by the grammar used in her/his lumped up incoherent ramblings. can someone help me here? northern Uzbekistan perhaps.give us a hint "babbles a lot", was your main source of transportation in your former land a "YAK", or were you ever married to or have you ever had intimate relations with a farm animal of any sort?? i just love it when some foreingner comes to our country, takes up a sport they more than likely were not ever allowed to do in their country then stand around flappin their gums about what should be legal or not in a country me and my family have lived and hunted in for generations..... come on GROWSALOT, what is it yer a commie of some sort i can smell it on you, lets have it....

lets keep this thread going forever, it really shows how lame and completely stupid your anti crossbow crowd is, keep em talkin boys, helps our cause with very little effort on our part....

yea that was the case back in the 70s, compounds were like rifles and you could shoot right thru a concrete block with one, hunters would be killing deer at 100yds or better using them darn things, well that was 40 years ago and most of those ole toads croaked and have shriveled up a long time ago, but now we have a small very vocal new group of anti hunter toads croakin their tune, give it time hunters, they will go the way of the doo doo bird just like their predecessors...

sorry guy's for just chiming in and insulting the local dingbat group and running but thats all this thread is worth, these people are not even worth the argument, they are simply too simple minded and self centered and deserve nothing more than an occasional callous insult here and there. people who really hunt and enjoy the sport and the future of our sport should not even waste any time with chimps like these.

It has nothing to do with being "threatened." Crossbows have no business in bowseason. If people want to bowhunt, they should learn to use a legal bow. This isn't rocket science. you have no business in any hunting season BUB, LMFAO

can someone translate this from Bolshevik to English for me??? ;D

I'll be LMFAO until then at the lazy whiners sitting at home pining for a crossbow while the rest of us are out bowhunting. yea boy, come huntin with me and i'll drag yer arse thru the woods baby

hey eddie, you might have found urselv a vumen dare.....birds of a feather LMFAO ;D

maybe you should take your lame ideas and head back to whatever commie country you crawled out of LMFAO ;D just an observation.

he's sitting in a dark closet sulking :'( knowing x-bows will be legalized in his lifetime, no just kidding i really miss the guy and his fountain of useless wisdom ;D

Wait till I see crossow hunters during BOW season. It'll happen this year...crossbow hunters are outlaws. I'm sure of it. I will bet that whomever it is will also claim that they did not understand the rules...oh how I would love to be there when a guy with an xgun tells the Warden.."But it 's a bow".....LMFAO i'll be LMFAO when crossbows become legal and a crossbow hunter shoot your buck bub

well atleast he/she or whatever it is informed me on how to be a perfect hunter.

this is some of the stupidist crap i have ever read on this site, this guy is a delusional dreamer. think you should change your name to diahria of the mouth alot.

man you live in a dream world don't ya? ???

so why don't you give us all a list of what makes the perfect hunter, we all wanna be our damn best, just like you...oh and listing your land holdings at the very beginning of your sentance like your stating your rank or something isnt impressing anyone.