arrowflinger

That's my point. The speeds you see advertised for crossbows are more accurate because they are reporting speeds using hunting weight bolts. I agree that few bowhunters hunt with IBO arrow weights...we use heavier arrows. That makes the actual speed gap even bigger between compounds and crossbows....and reveals that crossbows are even more ballistically advantaged.

But of course reasonable people know it is not. Reasonable people understand that the bow must still be held like a bow, aimed like a bow, fired like a bow. Real crossbows are held like a gun, aimed like a gun, and fired like a gun. It seems pretty obvious that the vast majority of those who complain that they need a string gun because they can't draw or hold the bow back could use a drawlock....but still would prefer the more advantaged crossbow.

While we are being honest, let's not forget that these crossbows are firing 420gn bolts over 400 fps. Your statement that "vert bows will be right up with crossbow fps" is misleading, since it would be IBO speeds, meaning 350 gn arrows. Still a significant ballistic advantage for crossbows....even if your 400+fps IBO bow is purely hypothetical as we speak.

Don't be a fibber. > There are numerous crossbows that launch bolts faster than 400fps.

Hmmm....isn't it funny that the crossbow pushers ignore the draw lock? A real bow....but locked back. Yet they still snivel that they need a crossbow, at the same time they claim that crossbows and compounds are "identical". Too funny.

Guns normally rely on igniting an charge which is the energy behind the projectile, thus the name "firearms" Hmmmm...... spear gun. Air gun. Blow gun. ????

Why do you want a crossbow, Larry? Honest, now.

I was thinking Sits was a third grader, based on the value of his contributions thus far.

LMAO What if I am actually a NYantler alter, just spouting off to give myself a windmill to tilt at?

Exactly. Glad you see it my way.

Or........A crossbow consists of a prod (similar in appearance to a bow) mounted on a stock similar to a rifle stock, which has a mechanism to wind and shoot its bolts. These bolts are typically called quarrels, and do not depend upon lift as arrows do. LOL

I won't. I don't like loudmouth internet bullies. Sitsintrees has proven himself to be a total joke. NY antler and skyhunter are close behind....all blather and no substance, and nowhere near as clever as they think they are. SteveB and WestNYbuck are sarcastic and close minded, but not total idiots. If you are looking for a rational and reasoned discussion...I don't think we will find one here.

LMFAO. You list 3 examples and claim it proof of a "very high percentage?" OMG.....that's priceless. Of course there are some ...... but not most....and certainly not "a very high percentage." That is a blatant lie....typical of the crossbow crowd.

I already posted the facts that support the statement. Go find them, and report back. You do play dirty....aka cheat. You fabricate points of view, you ignore direct statements, and you try to twist bits and pieces of quotes to support your agenda. You are a crossbow pusher.....you misinform, you misrepresent. I have clearly stated the basis of my opposition to crossbows, numerous times. Yet you want to make this an argument about the impact, or lack there of, if crossbows are allowed. That is a separate discussion....yet everytime I point out it is irrelevant, you try to spin it back again. You act like a crossbow lobbyist....a spin doctor. Your behavior is intellectually dishonest.....and another example of why I view crossbow people with disdain.

You have absolutely NO evidence of this. Where are your FACTS? Shame on you for your blatant misinformation and compound bashing.

I already have given you facts about OH and VA. Don't believe me? Go and validate them. Translation: Just another lazy crossbow pusher. You really shouldn't get all emotional about this....just stick to the facts, like the ones I have already supplied you. ;D

You are playing dirty again (still.) That's OK...I expect all crossbow pushers to cheat. You were demanding I answer how crossbows impact bowhunters way before this quote. This quote was in response to your repeated insinuation of "cannibals"....I merely pointed out that it is crossbows that cannibalize. However, if you choose to infer that that crossbows cannibalizing bowhunters is a direct and negative impact on bowhunters (I would agree)......than I guess I have provided you with at least one answer to your irrelevant question. That means you can be happy that I answered your question, and shut up about it now.

I agree that a separate season is the best alternative. The crossbow pushers will still whine about it.....they want all or nothing. So I say give them nothing.

Wow...you are one clever dude.

Such a macho dude. ;D

Thanks for proving mine. Boo hoo. :'(

Crybaby.....you like to bully others, but can't take a little return fire. Typical crossbow pushing whiner.

You guys are ridiculous. LMAO

A square adult might not......a parent who survived teenagers definitely would....dude.

LMAO...you have guys calling opponents communist males when they are American women....and you have the audacity to call me childish? LMFAO It was absolutely an answer. I never said you were childish... and the answer would be a simple yes or no Life is never simple, dude....time to grow up.