slickrockpack

I'm lost on these comments "finished a few'. In my world "finishing " something with a gun means killing it. are all of you using the Finishing term in a new way? or are that many of you saying you shot a deer, bear, bison, whatever, with a highpowered rifle or shotgun, and hit it so badly that it was a non lethal shot and you, for whatever reason, did not follow up with a second shot but instead yanked out a handgun to shoot it again? I'm completely lost.

if that buck isn't passing through your huntable area during hunting hours, forget him. Don't waste time focusing on buck tht comes through our yard at midnight every night, go get another one. the belief that deer and turkeys alter their generations of behavior only when it concerns humans is , I believe, a subconscious effort by some more urban humans to make the killing of food seem harder so that it is to increase their standing ....it becomes a greater accomplishment therefor the hunter has greater worth. It's an interesting phenomena in worldwide hunting circles from tribes to high tech.

cable it to a hemlock or drag.

first lasting snows have turned the elk on I hate the cold but finally we can fill some tags without worrying about spoiling meat. 96 F on Tuesday, 38 F today with good snows above 6500' snowed hard at the house 6200' but didn't last . VID_20130926_164926_399 (3).mp4

I hunt them every year since 1976, wherever I can get a tag. a couple years I had four and five tags that ceased to be fun and was a little much but damn it was fun. Now I put in for tags and if I can't get one I buy an auction tag usually wherever I know the area well, if that fails I have my father in law start calling the reservations seeing who can sell me a tag. last phase is calling family in Europe and trying to find tags there. Amazing how well it works considering my speech starts with, Hi, I'm a distant relative of yours but we left 400 years ago....what do you know about Elk hunting cousin?".... Start closest to home and then work out is my technique. They are my favorite hunting and eating critter I've hunted them everywhere they are legal to hunt, in Europe they are called Elk. October in the usa is my favorite season. I've never had an unfilled tag, DIY. unless I am in grizzly area I would never hunt with other people again, they almost always turn it into a race to butcher and get it out, and unless there is a pressing reason to do so it ruins the hunt for me, every time. If I could hunt newfoundland every year and nowhere else I would. I see 5 or 6 moose every week around here but if there's a year where I see 3 or 4 moose every day I KNOW I'm not going to draw a tag here.....better to see nothing, then I'll draw! I prefer gun hunting them, flinter or centerfire, I bow hunt if it's the only tag I can get despite my wife's screaming and carrying on to shoot them on the lawn, I don't shoot any moose that hang around the house, usually they are there because the wolves are after them hard and heavy.

lighter and easier to carry running hounds, on horseback, or in a raft or boat And like longbows and flinters handguns are just plain fun to shoot

handguns are treated as NFA in NY? that's weird. Pain in the rump dealing with NFA paperwork, I hate it. we did away with permits here but we ask for them anyway, it exempts you from background checks, probably the same there. I can't really remember how the permits work in NY its been too long. we have minimum caliber and cartridge dimensions for hunting big game and trophy game, it's a group slap just like non residents not being allowed to hunt on their own in wilderness areas for these same game animals, it isn't fair to some but it saves a lot of expense and annoyance overall. I don't know who would know what pistol I shot it with anyway, I've never seen another hunter in the field ever. But I understand, like the 40 for deer, no problem for some , big mess for others.

lost me on the deck of cards thing...auto correct kicking your butt maybe??

prefer it to all but the flinters

beer thread

theres couple in the Hudson, NY area looking fr members, last I knew. camps were mainly second generation immigrants if that helps steer you towards or away. tastes vary. Lidos game farm

bear killing equipment.

Thanks

did you sell the superposed? buddy just got his back from browning, wasn't worth fixing, he's looking for one

barrel length has zip to do with accuracy, our MOA handgun matches in sundance are shot at 500, 750, and 1,000 yards with handguns, can't get much shorter rifle barrels than handgun length. as for rests with short barreled rifles, you have a sling on your rifle?? then you have a rest....walking stick, hiking pole, tree, fence, pair of tree limbs laying on the ground...don't ever discard basic rifle skills because you have a fancy modern toy. the weight issue is another flash in the pan, when guiding people they'd be following me into kit fox or Lydia and they'd be talking about their ultralight hiking boots and how they took the labels out of their clothes( #$@T you not), and how they had cut the handles off their toothbrushes...meanwhile I have a full packbasket with a watermelon in it and a 14 foot rowboat on my head and their ripping labels out of their shirts? .... go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

no matter where you go the biologists seem to spend their days screwing us over. we used to have unlimited whitetail tags here but now we have unlimited doe/fawn tags Overall, BUT now we are limited to 20 tags per person per unit. WTH. and AND I need to buy tags at $22 each to shoot whitetails. This used to be a depredation tag unlimited, so no matter where you go the biologists will stick it to you with DMPs. we can't win.

there are investments and then there are expenses for recreation, they are mutually exclusive expenditures. if you buy land for recreation and view it as an investment you'll be disheartened, especially when you sell it and pay capital gains tax. but if you view it as money spent in recreation, like a fine dinner out, or a vacation rental, then you'll see only the enjoyment of ownership/ don't buy the wrong property for the right reason, but if you do buy something for your pleasure see it for what it is, a recreational expense and don't confuse making money with an investment with just plain ol having fun. every new car boat or camper purchase devalues the minute you buy it, but if you consider it rental fee for your fun, you'll be happy while you have it.

always ask the horse's ideas on it before doing that. I'll try to upload a video of the horse's reaction to me roping a bear while on the deck of a rolling appaloosa. all you can hear are my buddies laughing their butts off.

these are all good questions for your wealth manager or in the least your accountant. usaa is 5% down, on some land to get the 5% or less down I had to supply building plans. options and available deals vary during the year I would run it by your accountant and if you don't hve one of those go get one with the clear statement that you are looking for financial advice and help making decisions for your future not someone to file taxes alone for you. best thing we ever did. recommend Jim Reynolds company in Rutland, VT

that's what started this topic, and it wasn't enough, obviously. speech to text, since 1999. who types??

to what? I wonder...

not worth bringing the sidearm TurkeyFeathers and your buddy who lives there should be telling you that. you can't have a weapon and watch a parade, can't have it in any place that serves liquor, can't have it in any place where gambling takes place, "gaming", musuems, etc, it's something you are going to be constantly running back to lock in the car, which is a pain in the seat meat. you're not going to need it anymore than you are a fire extinguisher on your trip, so leave it home, enjoy your trip!!

actually selenium depletion due to pollution is the main factor affecting bighorn sheep, and everything else at high elevation.. 30 years ago selenium blocks were put out to "fix" this problem and the concentrated feeding areas these false food plots created only concentrated the lions and increased predation. Not to mention increased disease spread in the sheep herds drawing them into what essentially became bait stations. what is the solution? Less pollution. good luck with that one. Easier to build a food plot, and humans like Easy. /// wolves were reintroduced because the hippies that run YNP want to return it to pre-Columbian times, and they hoped to remove enough elk that hunting stopped being an option in the park. Period. Wolves do not eat predominately cow elk by choice, there ARE predominantly cow elk in a herd, 90/10 cow to bull so odds are you will be eating a cow if you are a wolf, which is fine there were too many elk in there. And while we enjoyed it as the incubation and breeding ground that Teddy R saw and loved, the problem we face today is of the current 1800 pairs of wolves that sprung from that reintroduction and the feeding frenzy that reduced the elk from 30,000 in the park to less than 1,200 the problem is the wolves have left the park now, less than 40 in the park this year spring survey, because lack of food is a self limiting factor. In coyotes, wolves, beaver, deer and elk among others, food supply dictates birth rates and litter sizes as well as sex of offspring in many ungulates, deer and elk among them. the social issue is the wolves find easy prey outside the park where there is an odd mix of citiots and die hard farmer. The citiot who believe Dances with Wolves was a real thing and not a made up movie, and third generation farmer who insists on raising cattle and sheep, things that should not and could not be raised here and wouldn't without the massive bailouts by taxpayers. it is a matter of natural selection, lack of intelligence, and adaptability, and I don't mean on the part of the animals. I sat through a tedious report on beavers and how they are destroying the eastern brook trout in New England and throughout I could only think of how many millennia both beavers and brook trout had survived in tandem without the armchair biologist and self appointed nature lover and how happily they would be surviving still long after both were gone. I wondered then , as I do now , if the beaver, trout, elk or wolf even will have noticed the blip in their history where humans had control over them. Which is the right way to manage an animal herd? I don't know, why are there so many different kinds of beer?

"Thinking Like A Mountain", 1949 "the first rule in tinkering is keep all the parts..."