Doc

There I just finished reading their statement. I can only say that the lying sacks of crap have outdone themselves in terms of destroying their credibility. I have just one very simple question that if properly answered would totally change my mind about this new rule. If they are not flat-out lying about the severity of the population situation and their super-concern about the excessive deer population, why did they chose to make their remedial actions apply only in the most inefficient season that they could find? Yeah, how seriously can you take their whining when they passed over actions during gun seasons and put the entire corrective management of deer populations on the backs of bowhunters, the least capable to have the needed impacts that they claim they need. It's a simple question that no one seems to want to answer.

Ha-ha-ha .... why don't we just see exactly how screwed up we can make things. The ideas keep getting screwier and screwier. However, I will say that such a thought could easily be something hatched by the DEC. That is kind of the way they are thinking these days. I know the gun hunters would be all for it. It seems that lately that season time slot is the envy of everybody in hunting these days and there is no shortage of people looking to push bowhunters out of it or glom onto it for themselves .... lol. And that thought always seems to come with the blessing of the DEC these days.

Never timed it, but I do know that no matter how much let-off your bow has, there still is a finite window of time before you begin to lose accuracy. Yes there is an optimum time to draw, and we don't always get it right. It can be an amazing amount of time between when the deer is first seen, and when it reaches the perfect location for a good shot within your distance capabilities. I have seen deer stop for no apparent reason and just stare for several minutes. I have been at full draw during a few of those staring sessions waiting for that critter to move into position. I have also been forced to let down because I could feel that time window closing. No matter what your decision is as to when to draw, there will come a time when that decision is wrong. That's one of the things that adds the challenge to bow hunting.

I dispute your claim that most were saying anything about how they could care less about antlers. The fact is that most were saying that antlers is not the only reason that they hunt deer and that there is a lot more to deer hunting than simply high scoring antlers. I don't think that anyone said that they had a problem with shooting a buck. Even the pure meat hunters cannot be in favor of having a large percentage of the potential deer take being made unavailable to them whether they be buck or doe.

That is exactly the kind of hunter the DEC believes we all are. They continue the war on bowhunters and we have all been conditioned to obediently fall into lockstep and wait for the other shoe to drop. Yes they have reason to assume that everyone will simply take it. That is our history and they know it. But, maybe not all of us.

Ha-ha-ha .... just another page lifted out of the Cuomo Book of Dirty Tricks. Page 846: " Don't give them a chance to respond". That goes along with the other page in that same chapter of the Cuomo Book of Dirty Tricks that says, "Never mind all the fuss and furor, they all have a short attention span and will forget about it very quickly". They've learned well from their political leader. And why not, he appoints their Commissioner.

Yeah, I think it has always been obvious what was meant regarding the difference between appreciation of a good rack vs. using it as the only measure of success and satisfaction. And of course the current uproar is obviously about the point that deer hunting is a 2-gender hunt, and odds of a kill have just been depleted arbitrarily by the DEC in their little campaign against bowhunters. Don't be confusing that with an idea that all bowhunters are suddenly, or ever were, trophy hunters.

You know as well as I do that the deer population cannot be managed by bowhunters. It also may occur to you that the situation will not change because this war on bowhunters can never achieve what they are claiming it will. And so this fiasco will become an engrained regulation that bowhunters in these areas will be saddled with for the foreseeable future. Add to that all the little brain-farts that keep popping up in the minds of DEC management, and the bowhunters in the affected areas had better get used to chronic and ever-increasing DEC harassment.

Notice how perfectly posed those illustrations are. However, I do know how to arrange the head-on view. Of course it will result in the whitetail's instant version of flipping the finger as the white flag waves bye-bye. The perfect side view doesn't happen all that often either, and seldom is there really all that much time to analyze and study if the pose is exactly right to calculate the measurements. But it all looks good in a diagram.

No. It is time to resurrect my boyhood hunting activity of squirrel hunting and let the DEC eat my bowhunting license. I've had it with their little war on bowhunters. All this screwing around with bow seasons has finally taken it's toll. I'm tired of fighting every attack on the season. I'm tired of constantly writing this and phoning that, begging for a little time to enjoy something that I have enjoyed for over a half century without the current constant DEC harassment. We have a neutered state bowhunting organization that has been completely gutted, and we have the people in power in the DEC to exercise their will to harass bowhunters. It's time for the old guy to dig out the .22 and raise hell with the squirrels this fall.

This comment is so on the mark that it deserves repeating: "This isn't on bowhunters or muzzleloaders shoulders. It's on the DEC with an agenda and they're not concerned with screwing over groups to get there. Yet they say doe population is the problem and they are enacting regs in the seasons of least effective tools to immediately make an impact. That's an agenda. If they really wanted doe levels down, they'd be going to gun hunters because that's where 100k DMPs were filled last year."

Wait a minute ..... This is the DEC we're talking about. All they have to do is have Cornell write them up some statistical nonsense and they can expand our few comments to apply the to the entire hunting community. It works on their deer management stats (within 2% I'm told.) ......lol.

And what are the odds that we will ever know those percentages? They'll be burying those stats as deep as they can.

Yes, let's quietly give back the two weeks we worked so hard for. Don't really have much choice on that anyway. The DEC is in the driver's seat and has gone rogue.....lol.

It's true. And once again the DEC is taking lessons from the Governor, and noting how the loud protests over the Safe Act slowly subsided and is now pretty much a dormant issue in the minds of most gun owners. The DEC has noted that and learned. This attack on bowhunters will also be scored as a victory for the DEC over bowhunters and will quietly fade into history without note after a while. This morning it is a shock. Tomorrow or the next day, it will simply be old news.

Ya think????

Ha-ha ..... The DEC in their haste to spring their "Gotcha" on the bowhunters, left the NYON in the dust without a chance to cover the story. Well, it looks like the DEC has taken a page from the governor and learned that it doesn't pay to drag their feet on something that is going to raise hell. Spring it on them quick .... lol.

Don't kid yourself. The DEC has declared war on bowhunting. It is not just L.I. that this is happening.

I have never considered does as beneath taking with a bow, and I will not participate in this blatant attack on bowhunters. I will not be forced to watch good bucks go by simply because the DEC has manufactured a beef with bowhunters. Honestly, I would rather see my 51 consecutive years of bow season participation come to an end than to willingly participate in the DEC's continued war on bowhunters. And perhaps now is the time.

No, it could have easily been avoided if the DEC pulled their heads out of their butt and realized that they will not bring down the population through bowhunters and muzzleloaders alone. Their attack on the bowhunters and muzzleloader hunters will only result in the loss of bowhunters and muzzleloader hunters. Way to go you ignorant jerks!

I don't think so. Those areas effected are supposedly high population areas that the DEC has now put on the backs of bowhunters and muzzleloader hunters to fix. Logic tells you that that is not going to happen, so this "doe only" will apply until ..... forever or until the DEC gets some sane management that doesn't have their heads stuck up inside that dark unsanitary place.

It is nothing that hasn't been predicted. And, it's not just the management team.

Sorry to have been a part of derailing this thread. Antler spread ARs is just one of the bigger hot-buttons for me. I think that the topic that buckstopshere brought up was a fantastic observation. Whether you believe the stats or the way they are arrived at, the fact is that it is that very same statistical method that the DEC makes policy with and wants to base further hunting restrictions on. And to consider their own stats that show a failure of ARs and then for them to continue implementing them and expanding them, shows a certain kind of arrogant ignorance that proves that they only operate on perceptions rather than fact. I think we burned this topic just a little too quickly. Sorry for my part in that.

How about I just accurately answer your question (which I did) instead of repeating the whole thread. Who the hell wants to look at all of that crap twice?

It sure is cheap enough for the number of issues.