Doc

For challenge and quality of the hunt, I far and away prefer bow hunting ..... always have. My Mathews MQ-32 still does that job as good as any of them. For meat gathering, my new buddy, the Ruger American in .270 caliber, is my weapon of choice.

Oh goody. Everyone whines about how NYS mis-manages the herd, and that they don't have the capability to do it right with what they already have on their plate. So now let's give them yet another thing to manage. We can fatten up those law books some more too. AR here but not there. AR 3 points there but over here its 4 points. Yup that's just what we need. Use their population guestimates to manage it? ......right. We have wild population swings within a single valley .....ha-ha. Most likely that is why the DEC has been dragging its feet over the issue, they have no idea how to adequately manage it.

I love the attitude that says, "Gee everything is great here I hunt. Let's have statewide AR". Damn people, not everything has further restrictions as a solution.

Well, I guess we'll just have to take your word for that. Personally I have never seen any such statistics from a credible source that didn't have a pro-AR agenda. I wish people would quote sources when they make these kinds of statements. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying it would be nice if there was some credible source connected with the comment rather than expecting everyone to just nod their head. And if the info is indeed true, does the logic necessarily follow that because hunter numbers are increasing it has to be because of AR?

Always be sure of the target and what's behind it. Sounds like a nice slogan for a poster doesn't it? Well, unless you are shooting in a gravel pit or a earthen backstopped shooting range, I defy anyone to swear that there isn't some fool in full camo leaned up against a tree 100 yards behind that deer in the average woods. Well, you'll see me, even if all of me is not visible. You'll catch that flash of orange. I'm not trying to hide from you. I'm not doing my best to blend into the background.

There you go. Regulate them right the heck out of the sport if they aren't fanatical enough .... right? Hey that's another way to get bigger bucks to hang on our walls. Fewer hunters. That idea sounds like a winner. New game management concept ..... lol.

Seems logical that anything that causes frustration and failure on the overwhelming portion of antlered deer will result in more bucks and older bucks. So the question gets to be, do you want regulations that frustrate hunters. How far do you want to go with mandating frustration? 2 points on a side? .... 3 points on a side .... 5 points on a side? Just keep upping the restrictions until even more hunters quit? To my way of thinking, a hunter who holds back on taking yearlings because it is their idea, probably is achieving older deer and also not being frustrated because the restriction is his own self imposed limitation. We really are getting regulation-happy these days. It seems to be everybody's answer to everything......Pass a law.

SH-h-h-h-h...... Let the myth continue....lol. I too have noticed that gun season, the hunter population goes way down. Especially after opening day. And I would just as soon it kept going that way. The rumors of hunters slaughtering hunters is probably the only thing keeping state land a huntable option. The fact is that hunters are in much greater danger on the roads just driving to the state land than they ever are once the car is parked and they are on foot. Unfortunately, bow season (The time we really need some space) has been going the other way. That's not a comment on safety, but just an observation that points out how archery hunting has become clogged on state land. Patterning and daytime deer movement is becoming a thing of the past on state land.

It appears that they still have some of the cam theory but applied in a different way: It's not back to simple eccentrics as I first thought.

No, I think they are not telling the whole story yet. Something wacky with all of this, or they just have a pile of money they want to throw away.

It's funny. I have been hunting a quite substantial, very heavily hunted gob of state land for about 50+ years and they have never dragged a hunter dead or alive from these grounds But across the road they have had several incidents on private owned land. I don't know whether it is the myth about state lands being death traps or what, but whatever is the reason for our relatively safe state land, I hope it keeps on working. What I am afraid of is that people get so confident with their private land that they get sloppy and downright "unsafe".

When a blood trail suddenly ends, a lot of times that means that blood pressure has zeroed out. Time to do the old concentric circle trick. Of course it can also mean that the hit is superficial and that it has clotted up or been licked to stem the flow for awhile. It can also mean that the deer took an unexpected sudden change in direction and you missed it. That's also another last second maneuver just before they croak.

Ha-ha .... is there something about private land that makes it easier to see behind a target than you can on public land? It's all brush trees and saplings, hills and gullies whether its public or private. There is nothing about public land that is any different fro private except that there are more people. Anyone who thinks that they can be reckless just because they are on private land, may someday be surprised in a very ugly way.

There has to be something I am missing here. Decades ago we had round wheel , two wheel bows where the wheels are mounted eccentrically to get the let-off. That is "old-tech" not some new invention. The video is long on fancy-talk superlatives and absolutely missing any useful info. If they are asking gobs of money for a round wheel eccentric bow, I have a whole wall full of them that I will let go for approximately 1/8 of that price.....lol.

I had the whole scenario doped out completely wrong. I was hoping that this being an "in-between" election year that most of the general electorate would adopt a Biz-R-OWorld style mentality and stay home. That part probably did happen. Then part two would be that the gun owners would be so incensed at having their rights trampled by Andy that they would be at the polls eager to bounce the little creep out. That part did not happen. And the third part would be the people who all have other gripes with Cuomo on other hot button issues would show up to vote anti-Cuomo also. All of that scenario should have come together to create the upset. It all was very feasible. The problem is that I over-estimated the outrage, or the gun-owner apathy. And who knows maybe the amount of people who had other problems with Cuomo was over estimated, or maybe the apathy among their ranks was worse than I anticipated. Anyway, we had it in our power to send a message that would have lasted decades and put the fear of God into those that would vote for further gun control. Somehow we blew it. An opportunity of a lifetime was squandered, and now all those gun-owners who sat home will sit around complaining about how government is unresponsive and determined to remove our rights, blah...blah.....blah and so on and so forth. And life goes on as usual and nothing changes other than the continued and predictable eroding of our rights. Damn! it's frustrating.

Ha-ha .... Normally I would be bouncing off the keyboard over these outrageous confessions of Biz-R-OWorld, but I am getting beaten own and buried by these self absorbed and self centered attitudes. I think his I-don't-give-a-crap attitude is way more prevalent than we could ever imagine. As disgusting as it may be, he is not alone when it comes to irresponsibility in a participatory government. Look at the voting percentages, particularly these non presidential elections. There is no excuse, but there is no denying that his attitude is much more widespread than we would like to think. And then we sit back and wonder where our rights have gone. It's pretty obvious now isn't it?

I still think there is a juicy story behind Duffy bailing out of politics. I think he some stuff that he just couldn't run away from fast enough. Of course we will never hear the story ..... lol.

I don't think anyone is resting on their laurels or thinks the work is all done. What I don't like are those messages that sound like all is lost no matter what we do in NYS. That message will definitely turn out to be a self-fulfilling prophecy if we don't occasionally stop to count our victories. It is very hard to maintain the loyal opposition when there are those that are constantly shouting in our ear that all is lost.

And did you expect one election to free the state? Did anyone realistically think that? Take the victories where you find them. That war is not going to ever be won without the victories that we achieved this year. I like realism, but I can't abide defeatism.

Yes, we are so busy crying in our beer over the Cuomo fiasco, that we are clearly overlooking the huge successes that we did have. While baby Andy may be smiling like a mentally deprived idiot, he is only one of the three chambers of state government. He needs his buddies to wreak any havoc on the Constitution. I am now more concerned with the mental attitudes that are left of the pro Safe-Act legislators. Do they realize that they barely dodged the bullet? Are they aware of their antigun buddies that are missing? Will they be as confident next time they are called on to raid the 2nd Amendment? I think we did make a statement that will be on the minds of the politicians every time the words "gun control come up.

No question we lost the big one, but I have yet to go through the results to see how many of those that voted for the Safe Act got the boot. It could turn out that we actually sent the big message that I was intent on sending. Cuomo can conjure up whatever kinds of anti 2nd Amendment schemes that he wants, but if we did in fact put the fear of God into the senators and assemblymen, he may find his buddies not so eager to vote his way next time. Remember, most senatorial and assemblyman elections were local and not NYC races. So before we all start weeping, let's see how some of these other races turned out. As for our district, the dems basically went down. And now I am going to do as I promised a bunch of months ago and send off a letter to O'Brien explaining to him that I voted against him and why. Message to Obrien: Don't mess with our gun rights. It just cost you your job. I think its important that they understand that.

There's a deer that's spent way too much time with humans.

Well, anyway, it sounds like the crossbow is such a goofy, worthless, p.o.s., that all sales will dry up and the idea of hunting with a crossbow will eventually be figured out by everyone to be such a pain that no one will be using one ........ right? I mean, why bother struggling with all that weight and having something that is impossible to carry without hooking everything in the woods. Really, from some of these descriptions, it sounds like the most ridiculous thing to take afield for any kind of hunting.

Before you head out to vote be sure to review the following post: http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/17272-lest-we-forget/ Remember, Cuomo was not the only culprit that trampled on the second Amendment. Make the others pay too!

Apparently there was a rectal biopsy test that was first published in 2009 and has been successfully used in domestic herds. http://buckbreeders.com/articles/dna-solutions-unveils-test-detect-cwd-prion-gene I have no idea how frequently this test is administered, but anyway the answer to my question is "yes, there is a non-lethal test for CWD".