Doc

Separate spots for each broadhead. Save yourselves some money. Actually I use one of those cheapy Styrofoam targets with 4 targets on the face. The fact is that I have a 4-spot 8-1/2" x 11" paper target that I pin to a "block" for field points as well. I have to blow a shot pretty bad to have any two arrows actually contacting. I don't like cracked nocks and punctured vanes and dinged-up shafts. Adding broadheads into groups is just asking for real ugly damage. What can get real ugly is when you get contact that causes damage that isn't all that obvious, like a cracked nock that goes off like a dry-fire the next time that arrow is shot. Or if you really want to get gross and disgusting, think about the next shot of a carbon arrow that has been dinged up or slit by a broadhead.

I can't even imagine what kind of damage one would get if they hit a mature bear with one of these smaller cars. Here's one to ponder....What if there was a collision with a mature bear and one of these smart-cars at expressway speeds. That would be ugly messy.

Look, don't be confused into thinking that this is some kind of Cuomo pro-family plan. It is a simple scam to buy votes with public tax funds and that is as bad a "social program abuse" as I can think of. And no, I do not believe that just because you are fertile you deserve a government handout. I'm not really sure what is so "family oriented" about that kind of government give-away, but to me that is simply another welfare grant .... that is if I chose to ignore the obvious political motivation that tells the real story about this give-away.

I raised a couple of my own, so your not telling me anything new about paying taxes. However, I never had the government handing me back some of that tax money simply because we happen to be fertile. That's kind of a new concept that will take a bit of getting used to. At any rate, my comment was meant more as a joke than a real complaint. But I must say that this blatant political ploy of buying votes with my tax money is something that I find a bit irritating.

I guess I see no point in playing your stupid game of tit-for-tat for page after page as your sniping often winds up. I think people have made it clear that they aren't interested in seeing that kind of childish nonsense.

I hope all you people with kids appreciate my share of tax donation to you. ....... You're welcome.

What may be happening these days is that a lot of kids are drifting into hunting without any parental or mentor guidance. If they are picking up all of this stuff on their own, there is nobody around to explain things like wounding game and the responsibilities of doing your best to avoid such things. They don't seem to be able to gauge when their shooting is adequate or what the consequences of inadequate proficiency really is. That is why, just like the original poster, it is good that some people take the time to at least explain a little something about the necessity of marksmanship.

Hey, the mad stalker/sniper strikes again .... lol. I hope I didn't offend you or sound like I am criticizing your lifestyle.....lol. But I will admit that I have never sent a text message or even have the equipment to do so, do not sit on the couch all day playing video games, and don't walk around wired up for constant communications. So what? But oh my .... I do own a computer.

I agree with that to a certain extent, but I am glad that people still get upset with illegal activity by the "other guy". Now if we can just go from being upset to being involved in reporting, there may eventually be less to be "upset" over.

Lol .... I guess if TV can have re-runs, forums can too. By the way, a pugilist is a boxer. I have no idea what the connection is between a boxer and a paper plate and bowhunting, but then that's another story .... ha-ha.

I ran across an interesting article on exactly this topic of landowner liability. It indicates that the issue is a whole lot more complicated than the DEC website synopsis indicates. http://injury.findlaw.com/accident-injury-law/premises-liability-who-is-responsible.html Also, I wonder if this is like so many other laws where there is one version for Environmental Conservation Law and an entirely different set of statutes for civil law. Laws are written in such ambiguous terms that the interpretation becomes the most important element. Look at that quote: "This protection does not apply in cases of willful or malicious failure to guard or warn against dangers." Imagine how that could be tortured and twisted by a couple of attorneys.....lol. Again, if I truly had to have a credible answer, a few bucks to a family lawyer might be the prudent way to get answers.

Well there has to some acceptable procedure because they do catch and prosecute shoplifters all the time.

When technology takes the place of living a life, there is no balance. And that is what I see happening. We have people who can't even walk without collisions because they have become so engrossed in their latest techno-gadget that they zone out of life completely. We have kids that are atrophying into large lumps of fat because they are enslaved with the deluge of video games. Technology has it's place, but when it gets so addictive that it starts pulling the users away from reality and the experiencing of life, something is going wrong.

If your suspicions are correct, what makes you think he will honor your request? Frankly, I wouldn't give my name to any project that antihunters were preparing to launch. Clever context manipulation and outright lies are the tools of their trade. Tread carefully.

That is not bickering. That is simply reacting to someone who stated they and their bow are ready to go out and fling arrows at deer when clearly they were not. Yes, the guy could have just ignored them, kept his mouth shut without trying to straighten them out. It really is nothing to him .... right? I applaud those that speak up in these kinds of instances and in no way consider that to be bickering. You don't feel some responsibility to speak up in that kind of situation?

While landowner liability has been relaxed quite a bit, I still think landowners are liable for any known hazards like uncovered wells, and perhaps unsafe treestands. I say that's what I "think" because I have not heard of any modern day successful lawsuits based on such neglected and unposted dangerous hazards. It certainly would be something to check out with the family lawyer.

If you know that certain people are doing this sort of thing and have any sort of evidence, eye witness accounts, or anything that is actionable by the DEC, call them on the TIPP line http://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/393.html You can be the eyes and ears that they, with their diminished numbers, need to enforce those laws that you want these creeps to live by.

So here we go again. Somebody starts a thread about seeing a couple of guys who were apparently ill-prepared to be bowhunting and it is instantly labeled as being "bickering between hunters". There is no bickering going on in this thread. It is simply the expression of an opinion that some people are not concerned enough with their shooting proficiency. I have no idea how widespread this inadequacy is, but if we cannot agree that shooting proficiency is an important part of bowhunting without considering that "bickering between hunters", then the sport is really in big trouble and apparently we cannot discuss anything without it being considered "bickering".

I have seen people that are pretty much naturals at shooting that could pick up any style of bow and have some level of success in short order. They are pretty damned rare. I have seen far more that really struggle to get the kind of proficiency that it takes to make things work in hunting conditions. Archery is a skill and it does require practice. There's no denying that, even if you have $1500 worth of bow with all kinds of accessories hanging all over it. That is one of the unfortunate misconceptions these days. You cannot buy enough gadgets and go-fasters to make up for time on the range. I will say that those who have been at it for a bunch of years may very well have the luxury of getting tuned up and tweaked with a short period of time just prior to the season. But with only very few exceptions, at some point in their archery experience, some quite rigorous shooting technique development has had to have occurred. It sounds to me like the two subjects of this thread were attempting to skip over that "development" stage. It's hard to say how to react when you spot something like that. Come down too hard and you might push new-comers away from bowhunting. But it is probably not something that should just be sluffed off without some kind of comment.

Nothing wrong with a few creature comforts while you hunt. Hunting is not supposed to be some form of deprivation and torture. You don't get extra points for pain and suffering ... lol. As far as I'm concerned, up to the point where it all becomes a burden to carry, the more the merrier. What ever keeps me on stand longer, belongs in my pack.

Yup! It really sounds nasty, but I'm addicted to them. Last year I packed 4 of them for opening day. It was supposed to be two for breakfast and two for lunch. All four were gone by 10:00 am. I couldn't help myself! And that thermos of coffee is a must too.

I have often wondered the same thing about old wooden hunting platforms that we have built over the years. They do get abandoned, and might be a temptation to lure some dummy to climb up and try to sit in one of them. What if due to lack of repair and maintenance the stand breaks and someone gets hurt. Is that considered keeping an unsafe menace on the property? Is that kind of the same thing as a salesman falling through a porch step and causing grounds for a lawsuit.

You must be talking some theory about a bowstring ..... right?

Cold fried egg sandwiches.........lots of them.

We have an awful lot of maple leaves that never changed color, but simply went to brown and fell. There are others that are turning yellow with the edges dead and brown. I guess I have seen some of this in years past, but never to the extent that it is happening this year.