Doc

Is it really legal on any public lands to drive nails into trees, and build some of the eye-sores shown in those 4 pictures above?

The word "ethical" is probably a bit over-used, but I still stay away from criticizing those that do have some ethical considerations to their hunting practices and are not afraid to voice them. It's the ones that hate all thinking that relates to hunting ethics or opinions that bother me the most.

What the heck do you mean by that!!!

His comments are so absolutely ignorant that I believe his stupidity speaks for itself without any need for rebuttal. Along with every other aspect of our lives, he is now even telling us what our ideologies should be. He really does have dictatorial aspirations, doesn't he?

Good question ..... Big difference!

I have pulled my older bows apart until there was no two parts left assembled and put them back together again just because I wanted to give them a custom paint job, but they were not under any warrantee at the time. Ability to do the job is not the issue. I still would not do anything that might jeopardize the warranty on a brand new bow. Besides, I'm sure he paid good money and lots of it, to have a perfect bow that functions as it was advertised. He should not have to start off repairing the thing himself no matter how simple the fix might be.

I like looking at them. I think they are pretty cool. BUT .... It is true that they are simply a freak of in-breeding due to some rather severe interference with the normal plan of Mother Nature. You know, really when you think about it, natural dispersal is kind of a safeguard to a healthy and natural safeguard of the species. I'm not saying that they are doomed to grow two heads or anything, but generally inbreeding is discouraged rather than encouraged. And those 24 miles of fence certainly upset that part of Ma Nature's principles. In reality, they probably should have engaged in a trap and transfer program years ago that kept the deer fenced out rather than in.

I don't think there is any doubt that there is money out there floating around unassigned. But understanding that is a long way from supplying credibility that they have any of that lined up for financing their vision. That is the kind of thing that I expected to find on their web-site. Something to show that they have at least a financial plan to carry out what they are asking their perspective members to sign up for. It would appear that they have gone no farther than the "wish-list" phase.

And I agree, it sounds like B.S. to me also, and yet the claim keeps coming up here. On the other hand most reasonable people would say this is not possible, but the people who authored the law are not "reasonable people". So if some clause like that popped up out of nowhere, I guess I would not be all that surprised. The other thing that concerns me is that the "specific contents and wording of the law is really only a starting point. So many of the details are allowed to be administration rules that they kind of make up as they go along. So if some of the rules and regulations cannot be found specifically in the text of the law, that doesn't mean that they cannot be some administrative rules created to expedite and administer the intent of the law as they interpret it.

I am no expert, but I would assume that it would depend on circumstances. A critter coming in in a hurry, the head shot might not be all that reliable. After all least fur damage doesn't really matter if you don't get the animal. Distance probably would factor into that decision too, for the same reasons. A fox or coyote in a trap opens up a lot of opportunities to do the job with whatever finesse that you want to use. I would think that in the ear would the location that would be the least damaging. This is a real good question and probably the answer is determined by each situation.

My Town, Bristol ..... Yup my place is out there- Some Adirondack scenic spots- An oldie but goodie just to finish with a laugh-

I suspect it is only a matter of time before that critter is dead. It is not going to end well for this guy no matter how long he manages to continue. I really hate to see any animal in this condition, and I'm sure the sooner he meets his end, the better it will be for him. That leg will not be coming off until some predator chews it off his corpse.

Where are you getting this? You actually found something that directly stated that this proposal is already funded with public and private money? I couldn't find anything of the sort on their web-site.

So, rumor has it that you need some kind of registration card proving ownership of an AR style gun before you can purchase ammo that can be fired from AR style rifles. If that is so, I am assuming that store owners would have already been advised as to the nuts and bolts of that part of the law. Database or no database, any ammo seller should be able to answer whether or not that is just B.S. or not. Has anyone asked any ammo dealer that direct question yet?

I don't know, maybe I'm somehow missing it. While I am very sympathetic to their cause, their presentation on their site is very long on vision and short on practical details or any defined plan as to who they are expecting to pick up the tab for initial development and day-to-day maintenance.

So, has anybody tested the system just to see how it actually does work? Do we have any members that are gun shop owners that sell ammunition and have to know the rules. It seems strange that at this stage of things that we are still guessing.

The three-legged deer that I have seen were generally clean amputees. They can move around such that you have to study them a bit just to see they have a leg missing. That's not the case with this one. That leg flopping around is not going to come off or knit back together. The tendon that controls that leg has obviously been severed. I too would like to imagine that somehow he will survive, and be restored to some sort of normalcy, but I honestly do not see how. Even deer have their limits. Perhaps if there is something about his home area that has a plentiful supply of easy food, and maybe no predators, he might find a way to somehow survive the winter. But honestly, I wouldn't give real good odds that he will make it through. In fact I'm not sure that just making it through the winter would be much of a victory for him. In terms of how he looks, I have seen starving deer in the Honeoye deer yard that looked very plump and fuzzy with their winter coats. It's very hard to tell a recently stressed deer simply by looking at him, especially since a wound of that sort probably hasn't caused much blood loss if any. I don't know, only time will tell.

It's a picture that I would like to see included in our hunter safety training. In fact a video of the pathetic stumbling around as that critter tries to move around would make a very important point about potential results of careless shooting if it were presented to hunter training classes.

I would guess the only reason that they have developed as a herd is the fact that they have been fenced in and likely have inbred to the point where the recessive gene is being carried from generation to generation. I suspect that the only way to have them continue as a herd would be to keep them contained in the fenced in area. Of course that raises the question as to who would then pay for the maintenance of the fence and who would absorb the value of the property. I think there is a lot more to the problem than is obvious. Yes they could be relocated (a very expensive proposition in itself), but the genetic oddity will soon be bred out of the herd within a few generations as they disperse. I think the idea of a white herd of deer is pretty neat, but there sure seems as though there would be a whole lot of practical problems trying to maintain them. So what are the suggested fixes that this group is proposing?

Absolutely .... If you make any modification whatever, be it with sandpaper or whatever, you then take on the responsibility for the problem. This is just a case of some infant mortality problem that every manufacturer periodically gets and expects. There should be no problem getting it repaired or replaced by competent people. Let them do it.

This looks to me like a crippling wound that is not lethal by itself. There is a huge tendon that has been completely severed and it will keep him from ever getting control of that lower part of his leg. It will be hanging on there like an anchor and without the bone being broken or the joint being separated, I really doubt that it will ever come off. There is enough material left there to keep it on indefinitely. I sincerely doubt that he can run in that condition to escape predators (dogs, coyotes) It's hard to say exactly what will happen to him even if he does somehow stay out of the way of predators. It's a real sad way for a deer, or any animal, to have to live out what's left of their life. I imagine that he is using up a whole lot more energy moving around than he is supposed to be, and the result of that may show up as the winter drags on. I am almost positive that it is a gunshot wound. I can't imagine how an car could have done that. When you consider how far away from the heart/lung area that hit is, it's just another reminder of what can be left behind with careless shot selection.

That is one thing that we often forget about ...... We are not the only people that want Cuomo gone. Gun owners are not alone. A motivated minority here, and a dedicated minority there and pretty soon you're talking about a voting majority. We need a whole lot less pessimism and a whole lot more action.

My Backyard: Up on top of killer hill (behind my house ... so named because it did kill my next door neighbor several years ago) are some amazing land formations, falls, and old timber. You can see why I don't hunt some of those spots. If a deer went over the edge, there is no getting them back.....lol. It has happened once and almost a couple of other times.

It works for me

You can probably keep adding oil periodically, but there is always a chance of the problem coming back at a very inopportune time (like when that buck of a lifetime have stopped at 20 yards, broadside .... lol). I would simply take it back and hope that it is not a design problem inherent in the make and model.