Doc

Lol ..... Woodchucks are rodents, hence the mental connection to rats (emotional response = disgusting, hated animal). The coyote is a cute little fuzzy puppy-dog style animal (emotional response = Rover). Well, of course that is said in a kind of tongue-in-cheek sort of fashion, but there may be more emotional truth in that than you might actually want to believe. There is an awful lot of law that is emotion-based.

Somebody walks up to you and says "We're going to use this stuff to manufacture our product. We are going to use it on properties all around yours, and maybe even yours if we can bribe you with enough money. But because the ingredients are proprietary, we won't be telling you what it is ...... Trust me". Are you going to trust that guy? There are a couple of things about drinking water. You need it to live, and once it's screwed up, there's no fixing it. When your talking about a process that is even suspected of having the potential of doing that, what amount of money makes that acceptable? Also, I need someone to explain exactly what the motives are for these people who are actively campaigning against the process. What are they getting out of it? I know what the gas companies are trying to achieve, but why are these people supposedly making all this stuff up about the spills and the negative effects of the toxic soup. Where's the motive for lying? can anyone explain that part of the puzzle to me?

Once again, the NRA shows the power in being organized. Those who haven't yet joined the NRA ...... take note.

The crappy winter weather has not allowed me to log many hours with the new gun, but the limited time that I have spent with it convinces me that it's a "tack-driver". They seem to be very quality oriented. I'm happy as hell with it. With better weather coming in, I'll be on the hill at my range checking it out further. I just have to be sure to go easy on my ammo and component supplies and make sure that I don't burn it all up. Still don't see when or where any replacement reloading components are going to come from.

Well, that's a very nice advertisement, but I see an awful lot of this stuff put up by people that really have no monetary stake in these decisions. In fact some of them would have potential financial gain if they just kept their mouths shut and took the gas company's money. Whenever I look at these impossible to resolve issues, I let the motives help with determining who is lying. The one thing that I have not had explained to me yet is, "What exactly are all these people gaining by telling lies"? It's clear what the gas companies and others in that industry would have to gain by shading the truth a bit, but what are the motives of these farmers and residents?

There's no way that I would support any form of poaching, but I wonder how many of these people that are getting all exercised over this also were calling for AR owners to become felons by not following the new NYS gun law. Interesting how we pick and choose which laws to obey.....lol.

For a good many years, I smoked on my deer stands. I will not say that it absolutely didn't cost me a deer or two here and there ..... probably did. But I also have been pretty successful over the years with my hunting. I believe it's been about 5 years since I quit smoking, and I really can't say that its made any significant difference in my deer-take. One thing is for sure, now that I no longer smoke, I have not wasted even one minute with the usual "I quit smoking - why can't you" nonsense. It really serves no purpose for me to adopt that air of superiority and trying to insert myself into the personal lives of others. I didn't like that freaky posturing back when I smoked, and I still find it a bit difficult to put up with even now.

I have to wonder what planet any gun owner would have to be from to not immediately wonder how the anti-gun crazies will use this tragedy to feed their anti-gun agendas. It has become a regular expectation to watch the liberal media and the gun-banning loonies link all tragedies to gun control. We know how unhappy it makes them that guns weren't used so they could make further use out of this to extend their agenda. Heaven help us if it turns out that gun powder was the propellant for the bombs.

You know how the internet works ..... you start watching a link that someone provides and before you know it, you are off wandering into other pages and spending all kinds of time that you never intended to .... lol. Well, that's what happened when I checked out the above link. Before I knew it, I was watching videos of a lady setting her tap-water on fire, and other people talking about having to leave windows open year around to alleviate the gas fume build-ups in their house. Others were shown receiving water deliveries because their sources were contaminated beyond use. There were other people complaining about a constant parade of heavy trucks rumbling by their house. And you get the idea .... it was some direct testimony by ordinary people at their houses, or at wherever they had to move to escape the environmental hazards that were occurring at their former homes. I found these people to be very credible. It is a little exercise that might be worth the time of anyone who is in love with the hydrofracking process, or thinks that opposition to it is simply hysteria, or simply those that care to be educated a little on the issue. The more I learn about this process, the more I find myself on the side that is concerned about what is being rammed down our throats in the name of corporate profits. Check some of that stuff out. It's quite eye-opening. This world already has enough man-made contamination and poisons injected into our lives. I am beginning to be quite skeptical of this process as another major self-induced environmental catastrophe. And I think the argument that it is all for "jobs" just isn't quite hacking it as a justification for poisoning a resource that is required for human life.

Wow! ..... That looks great.

Damn! Isn't there something we can ban or register to stop these things from happening?

Actually, it was really quite funny.

Yes, now that I already bought my deer rifle, the bills legalizing the use of rifles in Ontario County has once again come out of committee and is working its way through the legislature. Senator Mike Nozzolio is sponsoring Senate Bill # S 3929, and Assembly Minority Leader Brian Kolb is moving Assembly Bill # A 5574. Those that want to use rifles in Ontario County should be asking your state legislators to support these bills. Special attention should be taken by those Ontario County hunters who are represented by State Senator Ted O'Brien. I am not sure where he stands on this, but I do know that he cheerfully voted fot the NYS Safe gun-grab, so he may require a bit more arm twisting than most. So once again we are trying to get this rifle approval. It has been a very sad comedy of errors, and I frankly have lost track of how many times this has been attempted and screwed up. Maybe this will be the successful attempt ..... lol.

Is that what it costs to clean up an aquifer once it's been poisoned? By the way, how exactly do they do that? It seems to me that once that "toxin soup" leaches into the water, that's it ...... game over. As far as exactly who it is that is lying, I maintain that each side spins a pretty good yarn, and it's hard to pick exactly who is full of crap. So then I guess us uneducated folks have to rely on motives. I know there are a few people that stand to make a whole pile of money. Hell, enough money to buy politicians and a few landowners as well. That all adds up to a pile of motive for cover-ups and creation of false science. Frankly I am glad there are people asking the tough questions that go a bit farther than, "How much money can we make".

Yup!

Yeah, I'm just trying to be funny. I had a pretty good supply of components and powder on hand before all this nonsense began. Plus I already had a few hundred rounds of ammo already loaded up. Probably not enough to handle a revolution though ... Ha-ha. My supply of .22's is not all that large, but then I don't really shoot the .22 very much anyway.

Can't do it! No bullets .... lol.

So now we have two threads going on the same topic. Doesn't anyone ever read the existing threads before they start a new one?

It's like I said earlier. This is not a hunting show. Those that tuned in expecting it to be have been terribly disappointed. It is a show about deer population control in an out-of-control deer herd. There's nothing pretty about it. The challenges are completely unrelated to the "how" of hunting and has more to do with social interface with each other and the neighborhood. It is what it is and cannot be molded around to fit our ideas of hunting. They have thrown some humor into the mix and called it a TV program. Whether it will work out or not remains to be seen. My feeling is that it may run out of material before long, but so far I've gotten a few chuckles out the situations and the interactions among the group. Plus, I have heard a lot about suburban deer hunting, and it is kind of interesting to see how these guys actually pull it off.

Hey, it's a tough job but somebody has to do it ..... lol. Before I retired, we used to be able to set our own hours at work. Great arrangement because I could get a lot of work done in a relaxed atmosphere that was very easy to concentrate in. There was quite a bit of overlap time where I could interface with those that I had to. And then there was the great personal benefits. Being a hunter, I used these shifted hours to get out in early afternoon and get in a nice long evening hunt .... every hunting day. It worked out pretty good when hunting ended too because I would avoid all kinds of traffic, and still have a lot of daylight hours in the afternoon to get outdoor work done. I've always been active outdoors and daylight hours were always important ...... and for the same reason, they still are. So anyway, I used to get up around 3:30 am and get into work about 4:30. I did that to one extent or another for the last 4 decades, and I just never broke the habit. I'm not a night person .... lol.

It's the new "gun control" ..... maybe.

I'm not sure how much state land is actually considered "forever wild" lands. I think most of it is considered multi-use areas. Exactly how that is defined isn't really all that clear to me. I do doubt that any kind of mining and mineral extraction is a forbidden activity, but I have to say that I have never seen that written anywhere. And since you also included fracking in your post, the jury is still out on that issue as far as I am concerned. I have heard good credible reports on both sides of the issue, and it has kind of been rendered down to a battle of one side's scientific claims against the other side's scientific claims, and it is an even match right now. I will say that anything that offers even a possibility of screwing up our drinking water is not something that I eagerly support. We take drinking water for granted here in the U.S. right? You simply turn the faucet and out it comes .... lol. There were some people over by Buffalo in a place called "Love Canal" that found out that it isn't always that guaranteed. Frankly, I don't think anyone is arguing about what is happening a mile below the surface, but are having a problem with the inevitable spills and other accidental releases of the poisonous soup that they use. There are enough credible episodes of that sort of thing to catch my attention. Perhaps the science of this process isn't quite ready for wide-spread roll-out. Injecting toxins into the ground doesn't sound like a very responsible way to do business. it's kind of a one-way thing. Screw up the ground water and that pretty much is that .... forever. I understand the economic arguments that are brought up, but also understand that those economic windfalls only apply to the handful of residents who happen to own land that is drillable. It's not accurate to portray this as an infusion of cash to a community, or even that much of an employment opportunity. This was the story peddled by the windfarm people, which actually turned out to be the corporations bringing in their own out-of-state crews to do all the work. Yes, a very few landowners added some money to their retirement accounts, and the entire area of residents were left with the huge whirly-gigs over-powering the landscape with absolutely no monetary benefits at all. So one thing I have learned is that corporations have turned P.R. into a very effective science, but the perceptions put out by them are very seldom anywhere near the truth. Let's just put it this way .... all the jillions of dollars spent on convincing the public that this is a wonderful thing, really hasn't worked it's magic on me yet. Don't get me wrong, I think there is enough money involved in it all so that it will come to pass (consequences be damned), but that doesn't make it a good idea. I'm sure it won't bother the corporations a whole lot if I don't fall in line with support.....lol.

Nope ..... no Sportsman Channel offered here either...... unfortunately.

A little bit too "low-brow" for some I guess. But I got enough chuckles out of it to warrent another week of watching. I can almost look at this stuff like from the outside. It's not any style of hunting that I will ever do or ever want to do. So I see it as pure entertainment without anybody trying to fool me into thinking I should take it seriously. I gave up on expecting the TV to be a tool of education a long time ago .... lol. But as for those that didn't care for it, try not to get so crazy-irritated over it ..... relax ..... it's not a program that is going to change any part of your life or anybody else's life either. One of the reasons that we have the ability to change channels is so that we don't have to watch things that we don't want to.

Not much point in buying rifles if you can't find any ammo to put in them .... lol.