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Lol .... I don't think I have ever heard anyone trying so hard to stick their head in the sand. "It can never happen"....... "Yeah but it did happen in Louisiana" ....... "Well, it won't happen again .... Trust me!" Just face the facts that it did happen, and there are significant numbers of people in pretty powerful positions who would love to see it happen everywhere. I think there is reason for concern. Anytime the government forces there way into the personal business of it's citizens, there is reason for concern. And when the government supplies that personal info for publication, I think somebody better recognize that they have gone way to far. Those that welcome such intrusions deserve whatever consequences come out of that.

You are absolutely correct. This ammo back-ground check is simply another way at getting de-facto registration. It serves no purpose other than identifying who owns what when it comes to guns. That seems to be kind of an emphasis these days in the minds of the gun-confiscators. Nothing like having a database locating gun owners and identifying what kinds of guns you might be looking for when you are obsessed with confiscation. First they blame the guns for commiting the crimes. Now they want to blame the bullets. And all the time, the only ones affected are those people that obey the law.

I have no problem with things drifting a bit. Usually it means that the original topic has reached its natural end. I kind of like to let these things go where ever they want to go. However, if you want to start a new thread to explore that subject in a bit more depth, go ahead and do so. It sounds like a great topic.

Nope! I am where I most likely to wind up forever. At my age, there is no way I would ever want to pick up and move. I got over the "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" syndrome a lot of years ago. I've personalized and customized my property to the extent that I don't have enough years left on this planet to do it all over again. What I would consider would be to have an alternative seasonal location. That is if I were to suddenly win a lottery or something where I would have enough money to support two places. But any place I would ever consider would have to be free from floods, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, poisonous snakes, deadly spiders, excessive heat or cold, and terrain that was not too flat (boring), or so mountainous that I couldn't get my ATV up the hills. It would have to have plenty of green and not too much brown (Texas is out). It would have to be rural, but not remote (I'm past that kind of rugged isolation and a bit too dependant on ready access to medical facilities and other comforts of civilization). There probably is no such place ... lol. It doesn't matter..... it ain't going to happen anyway.... lol.

Noahstone- Beautiful place in a heck of a picturesque location. Is that a pond or part of a river? What kind of fish are there? Do you ever have any security issues being that close to state land?

That thought crossed my mind too as those guys casually stood there talking and filming this obviously crazy animal that in terms of a deer's speed, was certainly in a position to be on them before they could even react.

What a provocative comment. If I understand your meaning, I would love to see this thought developed into a full-fledged forum topic. It certainly does stir up a note of sympathy with me in terms of the way I personally view hunting/technology.

With only one exception, all these guys left a permanent record of their vote on this law. Yes it was primarily a Democrat led and supported bill but there were some Republican votes. And like I said above, it is not a Democrat vs Republican issue. It is an issue of punishing the supporters of this law and rewarding the opposition, regardless of what party they belong to .... plain and simple. Make it clear that they are representing us or they are gone. Get party affiliation out of your voting process and make your decisions based on voting record. So what if you become a "one-issue" voter. That's not a criminal act. But it is a very effective way of getting these people back in line. Make them pay for their voting record!

My feeling is that by voting against a proposed (but unread) law, you are not adding anything negative to the system. Nothing has been made worse. But blindly putting into law something that you have not read or understood or performed the proper level of research on runs risks of making existing situations worse. If you do not have time to adequately know what you are voting for, vote against it. That seems so stinking obvious to me, and yet apparently that's not the way it's done.

Unbelievable ....... That crazy look in his eyes was scary. It makes you wonder if he was mentally all there. I mean, no buck no matter how wacked-out in rut approaches two guys standing over another dead deer, talking in a regular speaking voice, with all kinds of light. The first thing I thought of was maybe something like rabies.

We have shown in the past that we can vote in Republicans, but that is not the point. The point is that we have to use our vote as punishment and reward. We have to convince these people that their votes on issues have consequences. They are getting to the point where they don't believe that any more. We have to somehow restore that thought back into their minds. We have that potential with Cuomo as his list of enemies has grown rapidly since he took office. We have to keep these issues alive and active until election time. And if his voting record does not do him in as NYS Governor, then we have to make it chase him in his efforts for the presidency. As far as the other lackeys that voted for this gun law, the same thing applies. They too have to learn that their votes have consequences. It's not a Republican or Democrat issue. They all need to learn this lesson. It doesn't matter who is running against them, if they voted for this gun law, whoever is running against them needs your vote even if you don't like them. And I hope the anti-frackers, and the ignored victims of Sandy, and anyone else who has a beef with any of these politicians and Cuomo in particular, understand the need to punish him with their vote. The point has to be made that their record has good or bad consequences.

But do you get my point? You have picked this one issue to invest your 7-1/2 hours into, and it is a worthy effort. But the truth is that there are many more important issues that effect our lives and our surroundings. Things going on in Washington, Albany, and everywhere around the world. And each one of these items requires much more than even the 7-1/2 hours that you are suggesting here. Obviously, there is not enough time in a day to get that involved in any one of these issues. It's a losing proposition. I and others are overwhelmed in our efforts to keep up with it all. Certainly I don't have 7-1/2 hours to devote to each issue. I am just trying to explain why I and maybe all the other members will not be spending the time to watch this all. It's a shame because I am sure this is a worthy issue, but things have grown way to complex in this world to be investing that kind of time in a practical or realistic sense. It really makes me wonder how anyone can consider themselves an informed citizen. Sorry, I didn't want to hijack this thread, but I felt the need to explain why I, for one will not (can not) be participating in this topic even though I would like to.

I am retired with a avery flexible schedule, and I have to admit that spending 7 hours on just one of the many very important issues that affect every agency and legislative body is pretty much impossible. You can spend 7 hours watching or reading or researching each and every item of business that even just one of these agencies is involved with, I suspect that you are having a problem establishing a life....lol. The unfortunate thing is that in order to be a well informed individual, this is the kind of thing you have to do. But the world has become so complex that it is not feasible to become expert on even one of these kinds of issues. I'm probably not being all that clear, but I maintain that when you ask people to spend 7 hours on just one subject, you are unlikely to get a whole lot of cooperation. There needs to be some synopsis or other shortcut to the info.

And, the proper response should be that if you have not read the bill, you automatically vote against it. It should never be the case that a legislator would put into law something that they have not read ...... NEVER! If the majority of legislators abided by this, there would be an understanding that if you intend to put forth a bill that has any chance of passing, you had better make sure that adequate time to read it is allowed. I'm afraid that just exactly the opposite is practiced by these dummys. If they don't have time to read and understand and even do some research, they automatically vote for it. Now that is just plain dumb!

There's the solution to all this 2nd Amendment infringement. Make those votes for that law cost them dearly. Put the fear back in their actions. "I'm the NRA and I vote", that has to become something more than just a meaningless slogan. We have to stay united and single minded on this issue. I'm deathly afraid that that will not happen and these creeps will be emboldened by having gotten away with it.

The fact is that the anti-gun creeps don't really have any control over the cost and availability of ammo. The shortages are caused by the panic of gun owners. We have done it to ourselves. Yes it is the anti-gun creeps that caused the panic with their announced intentions of putting us out of business, and all their goofy laws being jammed down our throat. But the actual shortage is a result of gun owner activity. Hopefully the manufacturers will recognize the windfall that we have created for them and will ramp up production to meet the new demand. That may be a while as they attempt to determine whether the buying panic is short term or not.

We got between 3" and 4". It's all plowed up already.

This Cuomo character sure is making a pile of enemies in his first term. I've been watching the "anti-frackers" demonstrating in front of his office, and I know that movement is very large Just a little under 50% last I heard. Then there is the pro-gun constituency. We're not huge in number, but certainly significant. And perhaps by the time election time rolls around he will have managed to make different enemies for different reasons. You know, if the Republicans can come up with a viable candidate ( a huge "if"), it may turn out that he has made himself very vulnerable. Of course the big question is, "will people remember when election time comes"? Here's the challenge. Can we keep these issues in the minds of voters at a date so far away? We have a way of getting all excited about issues, to the point where a lot of hunters are threatening to commit a felony in protest. I don't know what excites the anti-frackers and others who should really hold a grudge when they go to the polls, but traditionally, no matter how passionate people are, they seem to forget when they head to the polls. And of course a lot of them don't even vote. So while there should be a lot of reasons to vote that character out, I think history tells us that it probably won't happen. I have already seen the gun issue beginning to fade in the media and frankly even here. And yet we are armpit deep in the Obama gun-owner harrassment proposals, and here is a time when we should be flooding and re-flooding our representatives and senators with letters, e-mails, and phone calls. We also have activity aimed at getting the NYS gun law repealed or declared illegal. Again all these issues are dying down. I will guarantee that by the time Cuomo's election comes around (and the elections of all the ones that voted for it), everyone will have some other issue to be ranting about and these legal challenges on the 2nd Amendment will be yesterday's news and no one will remember. If the anti-frackers are made of the same kind of forgetfulness, they won't oppose him either. It just seems to be an American attribute ..... quick to get excited, and quick to forget. So, what do you all think? Will Cuomo and his anti-gun croneys be in trouble or will all this just pass into history as another government win? I'm afraid I know the answer.

Actually, this story has already been discussed in a thread from way back when this actually happened, so it has been talked about. I'm not sure how this is relevant to anything that we are talking about here. Have you heard anyone say that it is impossible for a mentally disturbed person to shoot people (armed or otherwise)? I don't think so. As far as your imagined stats, it all reminds me of that old saying that "Figures don't lie, but liars figure". Actually that page that is printed in every issue of The American Rifleman that has news article after news article from around the country giving accounts of people defending their homes and their lives with legal weapons kind of makes your stats sound a bit suspect. And they only print whatever they can fit on one page....lol.

Sounds like a good beginning to an episode of "Criminal Minds".

Here is the response I got from my U.S. Representative, Chris Collins (district 27): Thank you for contacting me to express your thoughts about gun regulation. I appreciate hearing from you. The shooting which took place in Newtown, Connecticut, saddens us all- without question it is a tragedy. However, we should not use it as a pretense to weaken our Constitutional rights by denying people the right to own firearms. Law-abiding citizens should not fall victim to additional laws and regulations, which will have no impact on reducing crime. I strongly support the Second Amendment and the right of an individual to protect themselves and their families. I will keep your concerns in mind as we discuss how to prevent violence, while remaining true to our core values embodied in the Constitution. Thank you again for contacting me about this issue. To receive important updates on my work in the 27th district on New York and in Washington DC, sign up for the E-newsletter on my website at www.chriscollins.house.gov. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I may be of assistance in the future. Sincerely, CHRIS COLLINS Member of Congress --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remember that Obama is still trying to sell his version of the attack on the 2nd Amendment. There are still senators and congressmen to be influenced. so keep on cranking out those letters, e-mails and phone calls. If you've already done so, do it again. Make it clear that we are serious about any further harrassments of law abiding, gun owning, citizens. Do not let your silence imply apathy.

Pav- I'm not sure what you are envisioning the end result of a controlled burn to be. If you are looking for all plantlife to be removed and a nice field in it's place, I don't think that is the usual outcome. I have seen full out raging forest fires that don't do that. Generally what is left is a whole bunch of woody spikey trash sticking up all over the place. But, what is accomplished is a whole bunch of good nutrients are added to the ground. And guess what ...... those muti-flora rose bushes and wild raspberries and all other kinds of brush with all those "pokey" things are the first and most healthy things to pop back up. They just love it and thrive on the new additions to the soil. So the burn is just a partial step to getting control back from the man-killer plants that love to tear you up. So, you might want to think about how to handle what's left after the burn, and then make sure you have the equipment and time to finish the job off or you might wind up with a worse mess (but a very healthy mess ..... lol) than you presently have. Do you have any pictures of what the vegetation in this area looks like? Are there saplings scattered through it? ..... Trees? ..... vines? ...... Any open areas inside (goldenrod and such)? Is it the kind of thing that a good heavy bush-hog could handle? Is the ground dry, swampy or maybe even too wet for finish clearing and fitting and food plot equipment? How big is the area that you would like to open?

I suspect most of them are beginning to see the error of their ways. They have all faded into the background and don't seem to have a lot to say these days. Now it remains to be seen whether or not they man-up, recognize they were wrong and join in the fight against this law and any future incursions into our rights (soon to come from the Feds).

All they have on their web-site as of this morning is: "New PA location Coming soon". My guess is that it is an additional store, but that is just a guess. New gun law or not, their current location is a true gold-mine.

Back in the mid 60's we used to operate a commercial NFAA target range, and we put in a few more roads and trails leading from one target to another all the way up the hill and through the course. Those roads and trails make good ATV trails and that's how we get food water and supplies up to camp. But the trail that I use the most is an old horse trail that they used to use for logging, and farming the top of the hill back in the 40's. The hill is damned steep, but the roads tacking their way up the hill makes it pretty easy on an ATV, or tractor.