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If you believe that we cannot operate as a unit in our voting reaction to having our representatives working to destroy our 2nd amendment rights, What on earth makes you think for one minute that we can unite over a hunting license ban? The purpose of the vote is to give people a way to react to such injustices. If we can't work within a system that is specifically set up for such retaliation, where are we going to get the where-with-all to organize action against the DEC who by the way had absolutely nothing to do with this law. And by the way, the DEC is not any kind of direct link between the gun owner and elected officials. What you are forgetting is that it wasn't all elected officials that voted for this law. It wasn't the DEC that voted for this law. It wasn't the wildlife management programs that you are willing to sacrifice that were involved in this law. And actions to punish the DEC for a gun law is a bit of cutting off your nose to spite your face. And I sincerely believe that you would never get a significant number of hunters to actually do that .... and for good reason. It is specific legislators who supported and voted for this law, and it is those specific legislators that should pay the price, nobody else.

I'm not sure how much of this is actually due to hoarding. It appears there is a panic run on ammo and components that has pretty much shut the whole supply down. I wonder how long this situation is going to go on. If the demand continues at this pace, I see cost reacting to demand, and the price of all this stuff may become prohibitive. I was checking on line, and haven't found many components that are actually in stock. What a difference from a few weeks back when I got supplies for my new .270. I should have doubled or tripled my order.

And as a registered weapon, they will cost the owner a periodic additional fee to own. Also, if I read this all correctly, their value has been reduced to zero because they are not legal to re-sell (except maybe on the black market).

Ha - ha - ha ..... We always get a lot of pages of discussion on this subject, don't we? That's good. Anytime things get a little slow, some body can just start a thread that mentions antler restrictions, and instantly we have a discussion going. I'm a party-pooper when it comes to this subject .... lol. I really don't care a whole lot. I believe there are bigger fish to fry. I suppose that if I was forced to take a position, it probably would be against AR as an across-the-state regulation, but I really wouldn't get all crazy about it. But then, I live in a WMU of plenty, so there really isn't much of a hardship one way or the other. Heaven help those guys that have trouble just maintaining a deer population, if they ever get saddled with AR on top of that. I think way too much is made out of this issue when compared with other management issues that are going un-addressed. So anyway, keep up the good fight. It's good for the forum.

I'll say it again..... It shouldn't have to be a party line issue. Come on people take a few moments to find out who your State Senator and State assembly man are, and then go see how they voted. Once you have done that, you know exactly who the culprits are, and you know how to vote in the next election. That is the very least you can do if you are really upset by this law..... the very least! Forget the lazy man's way of trying to vote party lines. Do a little bit of research and punish the right people. In fact I have a state Senator (O'Brien) that has to go, so next election, I am going to do a bit of election volunteer work to help ensure that he's out of here. All you people who are truly outraged by this law should be thinking of similar things to do in order to exact the proper punishment against the proper people.

Wrong question. The real question is "How many lives will be lost in home invasions and such because the homeowner was mandated by law to be out-gunned by the criminals?" Also, understand that there were some Republicans that voted for this bill as well. Look up the voting results and use this vote as a litmus test to determine your vote in the next elections ..... not party lines. In close elections, this single issue (the vote on this bill) may just start sending a few messages when these creeps start going down for their vote. If gun owners are ever to have any credibility and control, we have to do this ...... all of us.

Don't be using party lines to decide. You have a perfectly good litmus test right here with this bill. You can look up who voted for what and party lines be damned ...... vote the creeps that voted for this law out! Also, don't adopt the same attitudes that the anti-gunners do. They say that because there are some illegal use of firearms, we should take it out on innocent gun owners that have nothing to do with the evil deeds. Well, taking it out on the DEC and other un-associated innocent people is the same mentality. It's the politicians that did this to us, and it is the politicians that should feel the wrath of the voting gun owners. No need for others to suffer for the screwing the politicians handed us.

I have a state senator that has to go also.

And so the mystery continues. Is there anyway of telling at what point in the investigation this video report was made? In other words was this early on and refuted by subsequent other reports, or was this kind of after the dust had settled which of course would give this account more credibility. I never can understand why there is always this kind of contradictory information that comes out. Can't these reporters ever get it right? Where are they getting their information? There never seems to be any names associated with sources of info.

Well, here's the deal ..... We already have universal background checks for initial purchases. A few weeks back when I bought my Ruger American .270, I had a background check run on me along with all kinds of other info filled out on a form. So, what's new? Ok, here is what's new: background checks required for private sales. The question is, is this just another version of outlawing private sales of guns because of the unrealistic plan of having a federal firearms dealer run the check for you for some piddly little fee (which is just another way of saying that it will never actually happen) and your firearms will be virtually unsaleable.

There is only one realistic way to fight these kinds of screw-jobs by politicians, and that is to become a single-issue voter, and remember who voted for what on this. Of course we are in the minority, but you would be surprised how powerful a minority can be if we can just get our gun owning people to vote as a unified block. We can indeed put the fear of God back into these creeps. Also, actively work and campaign for the defeat of those that voted for this mess. Volunteer a bit of time as campaign workers. I understand that this state is a liberal, pinko, bastion of commies, but we have voted in Republican state senators and assemblymen before, and we can do it again if we can just keep in mind exactly who screwed us and who took us and our 2nd amendment rights seriously. We have to make it politically expensive for the politicians that thumbed their noses at us. We need a list made of Assembly and Senate who are our allies, and who are our enemies and vote accordingly during the next election.

That was the first thing that crossed my mind as I was reading that part. How many disturbed people will this law keep from seeking help with their mental problems? I agree with the intent of the mental health clauses in this bill, and I have no idea as to how to achieve what they are trying to achieve in any other ways, but I have to believe that this stuff just may have made the situation of wackos with guns actually worse instead of better.

I do believe that that was what was behind the hi-balling of this legislation. They were afraid of letting the NRA get too organized, so they fired this legislation through without adequate public comment period and so quick that probably most of those that voted for it didn't even have a chance to understand what they were voting for. When is the last time anyone here has ever seen legislation move anywhere near that fast before. It just never happens unless they are trying to slip something over on the public. It shows the sneaky underhanded tactics that the Dems are willing to use when ever they want to screw the public.

Yes, this thread is very unsettling ......... but true. If you all think that this is the end, just wait until the next multiple murder. They aren't done yet. And by the way, we aren't done yet either. There is still the federal action coming. Keep those emails, letters and phone calls coming folks. And then there is the follow-up activity where every vote for this legislation should mean an automatic vote for that candidate's opponent in the next election. If our sincerity about this kind of crap is to maintain any credibility, we had better follow through with our determination to bring havoc on the re-election campaigns of any of these people that are voting against our 2nd amendment rights.

I want to know exactly which senators voted for this bill. And then, I want gun owners to follow through with their threat to use their votes against these people. To me that is the next logical step. If these guys are successful at thumbing their noses at gun owners without penalty, then the floodgates of firearms bans and legislated harrassment of legal firearms owners will explode in this state and eventually across the country. It's time to put up or shut up!

What a struggle trying to read this thing. Some of it is almost like in code or something. I believe it has gotten to the point of needing a lawyer at time of purchase if you are considering buying or selling a gun (I did see some 5 to 15 year mandated sentences for some violations). I see a new area of specialization developing for lawyers. Some of what I saw regarded mental health/gun ownership issues. In fact that was a pretty large chunk. Of course the devil's in the details, but on the surface, those things looked good. I will be continuing to dig my way through this mess and try to make some sense of it all, but I really don't hold out much hope for de-coding it all.

SH-H-H-h. There is nothing keeping them from opening up a new front involving ammunition components. Right now that is a ways down their list of priorities, but I will guarantee that reloaders will have their turn at having their rights trampled. Let me whisper a tip to you right now: Buy components. Buy as much as you can possibly afford. Powder, brass, bullets, primers, etc., etc. Put away a lifetime supply if you can. The price will never be cheaper, and the legal ability to buy is so far available. Pass it on!

Probably not many. But their whole lives revolve around votes. To them their whole future and measure of success involves keeping as many of their voting constituents voting for them as possible. Our mission is to convince them that we are a solidly unified body of voters who will not tolerate being under-represented on the issue of gun control. That is why this forum has been temporarily taken over by this subject. It is not acceptable to have any gun owners waffling around on this issue. There is no room for defection. For politicians to think even for a minute that we are not unified against another useless round of further worthless gun control, is basically the unthinkable, and will surely lead to some fundamental losses that even the antis have never dared imagine. We are in the minority, and the only thing that we have going for us is that we are a voting block that is of single mindedness and therefore have power to be reckoned with. This all shows an understanding of what is important to politicians. If we all understand that then there is no need for them to "think the same as us civilians". They only need to understand the penalty for not listening to a very vocal core of dedicated voters.

I believe that the legislators are only now becoming aware of the fecal-storm that is upon them. I just hope that each gun-owner does his and her part to impress on these guys that there is a significant unified voting block out here that is intently interested that they "represent" us.

Frankly, I don't buy ammunition from Walmart. In fact if they shut down their whole sporting goods area, it probably would be months before I ever found out. Their stock has always been so sparce and irrelevant that I really don't go there to buy anything outdoor related anymore, especially anything that has to do with guns or archery. The fact is that I load my own ammo, and Walmart has never stocked re-loading equipment or components. So, if they have decided to make some political judgement to not sell any particular kind of ammo or whatever, I'm afraid I am not in a position to exercise any kind of boycott, or make any kind of protest ..... lol. Their views on gun issues is totally irrelevant to me.

I believe that the staff reads enough to get the gist of which side of the issue the letter-writer is coming from. I also believe that a check mark is made on a list indicating "For" or "Against". As far as the details of the content, they are only to validate true interest in the issue and are to indicate that the writer views this issue as very important. I have heard enough reports from legislators that show that they do boil these responses down to numbers and have in the past provided those exact numbers to the media as a ratio. I am convinced that they look at these letters as votes in thier next election. I think they have enough political savvy to understand that anyone who takes the time to compose and send an opinion on an issue is very likely to translate the response into an important part of their voting choice.

Nothing is stopping anyone from writing a rebuttal. But I'll guarantee that there are already plenty rebuttals on their way already.

Here is the reply from my State Senator (a confessed anti-gun Democrat....lol): Thank you for taking the time to e-mail me. Your comments and suggestions are very important to me and an integral part of the legislative process. Doesn't that sound like a quick brush-off? He doesn't even acknowledge the subject, and his response could just as easily be about something like fracking or any other subject that he doesn't want to commit to. Talk about a canned response meant to say nothing of content or commitment. Well, it doesn't matter. At least he knows that he just blew off one more vote in the next election, and if he gets enough similar responses, it may occur to him that in a close election, he may be cutting his own throat.

Here is a reply From Brian Kolb, NYS Assembly Minority Leader (less than 8 hrs from the time I sent him my message): Thank you for expressing your concerns about proposed gun control measures. The horrific tragedies in Newtown, Connecticut and Webster, New York have prompted calls for some fundamental changes in public safety regarding firearms and mental health. I welcome such discourse. Our nation has a framework in place to thoughtfully address issues such as these. I have always been a steadfast supporter of the Second Amendment. It is therefore worth noting that the United States Supreme Court has recently re-affirmed that the Second Amendment should be construed as stating that an individual has a fundamental right to gun ownership for the purpose of self-protection. I remain committed to advocating for our Constitutional Freedom. New York State already has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. We do not need any more. Our goal should be to address the underlying issues that have resulted in tragedies such as Newtown and Webster. We need to proactively ensure that individuals who should not have guns do not obtain them, period. There should not be further restrictions placed on law-abiding citizens. This will involve the cooperation of mental health professionals, interaction with local law enforcement and others, as well as an enhanced reporting system. The scope of these tragedies transcends a discussion that is simply about guns. It requires a fundamental examination of our society and public safety. If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me. Sincerely, Brian M. Kolb Assembly Minority Leader

Another letter sent out to my State Senator and state assemblyman: I heard a lot of distressing talk in the Governor’s address about another round of proposed attacks on the rights of law-abiding gun owners in this state. As one of your constituents, I want to go on record as opposing a further spread of these ineffective attempts at violence control. I think that the legislated harassment of the law abiding in combination with the coddling of the criminal element has gone on entirely too long and needs to be halted right now. I also do not want the government mandating that I be placed in a defensive handicapped position to those criminals bent on doing harm to me or my family. I see no reason for our government to be legislating that law abiding citizens be put at a disadvantage to the criminal element when it comes to home defense. The time is now to begin innovative approaches to violence control rather than simply trotting out the old time-worn, unimaginative, failed, battles against guns and the law abiding citizens that use them. It’s time to insist that remedies focus on the root causes rather than the pieces of hardware that are legitimately used everyday in a legal fashion by your constituents. Thank you for your time.