Doc

This sure wouldn't be a good night to lose electricity.

What the hell is going on here? My gosh, you seem bent on making as many enemies as possible. Do you have some personal stake in all this that makes you such an unpleasant sort. Read some of your replies here and tell me if this whole subject is worth telling someone they make you sick and posting reply after reply that simply is designed to be as ugly as you can make them. Come-on, get yourself under control and keep these discussions with a little bit of perspective. There is no need to get all in a lather and act completely out of control. Nobody is your enemy here, and there really is no need to see how aggressive and offensive you can be. You don't agree with what is being said here, simply say so in an intelligent and non-aggressive way and let it go for crying out loud.

Be careful of using just the zip code for identification of your State Senator and assemblyman. The voting districts do not follow zip codes. A better way to go is to access the Senate and Assembly pages where they have representaive finders that use your entire address. http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?sh=search State Assemblyman search by address http://www.nysenate.gov/ State Senator search by address

Ok, I was listening to this gentleman bringing up just about all the points that we have brought up here. All good points and really un-arguable, just like when they were brought up here. And yet the madness continues. And yet the anti-gun people ignore all that and carry on with their campaign to justify this worthless legislation. So I have to ask, doesn't this all show that the opposition really doesn't care about real solutions to gun violence (or any other kinds of violence)? Doesn't all this determined willful ignorance show that there is a political agenda that is quite separate from the mass murders of those children other than simply using them as a catalyst to advance their anti-2nd Amendment agenda. These people are just blood-sucking carrion eaters that have been patiently biding their time for the next opportunity. They have used those deaths simply as a convenient tool to push gun elimination legislation.

I'm afraid there are an awful lot of people here that might actually send in e-mails and letters, but simply don't know who represents them. If that is your situation, get on the internet and make it today's mission to figure out who your state and federal representaves are and create a document on your hard-drive with names addresses, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, etc. It's important that you are ready to communicate.

Of course that assumes you have a buck tag left. A lot of people will take a buck when the opportunity presents itself, leaving them with only antlerless permits left.

Yeah, the formatting confused me. Got it straight now.

Look, at this point it really doesn't matter what was used. The antis already had their minds made up that they were going to use this event for their crusade against those evil looking "assault rifles". The guy could have been in there with a Saturday Night Special (remember that term ...lol), and the Cuomo bill would have come out with exactly the same wording and restrictions. And it would have been crammed through the law-making process at record speed. And it would have been signed by Cuomo on the same day that it turned out that he signed it. Now the issue is how do we get rid of it. Let's get focused on that now.

Ha-ha, the thing is that everyone has just come off a season of not seeing all the huge bucks that they see on TV, and are now all upset about that. So naturally, it gets them started on the subject all over again. That's ok, we just have to get through our 10 pages or so, and then we can move onto some other area of controversy. It's already starting to wind down.

Ok, I found the Assembly vote. They changed the bill number to S02230 with amendment by Klien. The assembly vote was listed under that that bill number. Thanks all for the help.

That is their twisted version of thinking that they are doing something about violence. Really .... They think they are doing something useful, and it makes them feel good. That is the sorry state of public thinking these days. Problems don't have to be really addressed. All we need is the perception that something is being done. That's the same mentality that produces the NYS gun laws that were just recently passed. We've even seen some of that kind of thinking on this forum in recent weeks. It doesn't matter whether the actions represent anything useful, just that it makes us feel good and provides the perception that "something" is being done. These school official are of the same mentality.

I wonder if that was a "Saturday Night Special"? Remember that term? That was used back during another occasion when the politicians were saving us all from guns years ago. That worked well too, didn't it? Well today the hot buzzword is "assault rifles", and that is equally as vague as the Saturday Night Special and accurately describes nothing. It makes you wonder what kind of cute phrases they will come up with when they start after our other hunting rifles...... and given their quick success this time, you just know they will be coming for our hunting rifles very soon.

The way I am hearing it, they were in such a mad rush to hold the vote and ram this thing through that most of those who were not on the inside creating it, had no chance to even read it, let alone consider the pros and cons of any of the line-items. It sounds like she handled it the honorable way by voting against something she had not had been given time to read. I don't know anything about the lady, but as far as I am concerned anything that is not read thoroughly and carefully considered, should be voted down.

Ok, I got it figured out now....lol. The formatting is actually two columns with only last names. This Dinowit is a different entry than Kolb. Sorry, I was confused.

Here's the good news (if you want to call it that). Most of the people in this state don't vote (gun owners and otherwise). So if we could mobilize our gun owners and get them to learn how to use their vote, all of a sudden our minority status can become the controlling factor in elections.

Then the list is incomplete. My State Assemblyman from the 131st District, Brian Kolb, who voted "no", is not in the list.

Stinking scorpions, spiders, snakes, and everything that grows has thorns and spines. I don't care if they were giving guns away, that is one of the last places I would move to ..... lol.

You shot a legal deer. How could that be wrong?

LOL .... A soothsayer now. And he even comes with real numbers too.

Yup! I still get that, "Well, what does anybody need with one of those weapons of war, anyways". It's frustrating. But what the heck, I even got that kind of response from some of our own members when I brought up that very points several times on other threads. Some of that is just ignorance, or a total lack of guns and how they work. With others, I think it is just the blind following of the leaders of their particular political idealogy. Sometimes politics can make people act like they don't understand.

That's the vote from the State Senate. Has anyone seen a similar voting tally from the State Assembly on this bill? I'd like to make up a Word document to file away until next election time.

I have read in the papers that they are organizing for court challenges as well as support for some of these repeal activities. Don't forget that they also have a federal aspect to all this. Imagine the cost of such activities. Remember how they used to say "You can't fight city hall"? Imagine taking on the federal government and state governments. Now try to picture how you would do that sort of thing all by yourself.

Why don't they just shut that place down and get out of town to make way for a real outdoor store?

At last, someone who has put the proper perspective to all these posts of false bravado, in a factual fashion that maybe will sink in. Unless you are a street hardened criminal accustomed to such things, I would suspect that a pair of handcuffs and the prospect of some time in jail with some big grinning greasy-looking fella, might change some of that tough talk.

A great read for anyone who is trying to explain the true nature of so-called "assault weapons" to those that think they are weapons of war, or machine guns, or that they are in any way more lethal than any semi-automatic sporting weapon.