I agree with both. I have been thinking now forever about sleeping in and going out about 7-8:00 cause I tend to never see deer till 8:30 or later regularly. But there are those times when I get in early and do see them at first light. I have noticed on thing over the years though. During bow I see them later on, less pressure on them maybe? But during Gun, I almost always see them at first light. My opinion, during bow in our area of NY, sleep in and go out at 7-8:00. During Gun, get in before first light.