Meat Manager

Human density is the key factor on how many deer the public deems acceptable in terms of car accidents and farm damage...#1 in terms of who gets to say how many is too many. That's what human density means and that is why they are going crazy trying to get your lazy large ass to shoot more does. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This site has degenerated so much in the last 9 months.

If you want to point to specific elements of other state agencies management plans and apply them here fine...but you better point to NJ or PA if you are talking about the same population density in terms of BOTH deer and humans.Ohio or any other Midwestern or southern states model does not apply here in this very densely populated state. But you haven't pointed to anything specific and as I recall abhor the idea of EAB which Jersey uses. Again no plan just a politically lazy hater. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Anecdotal accounts like you describe are statistically insignificant.The DEC employs wildlife biologists and deploys a scientific method in terms of collecting statistics and calculating populations... Again...no one else has a plan, you're just a bunch of bitching trolls and "scary government" haters. And Mike Rossi is the ONLY guy on this site that backs up his political talk with real political action, not bluster and self-delusional bs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Okay critcs lay out your plan to count and control numbers the "right way."Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I legally harvested 8 deer last season all but 1 under 30yds.5 of those with the bow and a mature spring Tom with my bow all under 30yds. As for my archery Buck last season like I said I was confident he was mature when I decided to draw. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Grow...thanks for providing data. I disagree with your analysis of that data. In my view the deer take went way down because the DEC indeed slightly overstepped... But it was the DECs intention to significantly drop the glutted herd and it temporarily did. 3 seasons later take was back up to the 220s and now back to 240s and the herd is approaching glut again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's not a guess it's a calculated figure based on reported take and many other methods of statistical collection.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm not confusing anything...hunters will not have a choice when mandatory EAB is imposed or much worse yet when red tags and sharp shooters become the preferred means of population control.Especially in a state like NY where mute swans can not legally be harvested by hunters despite the fact that the DEC and other conservation minded groups support this method of population control. By the way words on paper must precede actions when dealing with state agencies. You should have Mike Rossi give you an education on how the legislature and other state institutions function. Also show me in the data of the last decade where deer take or pop went down. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I will take their numbers over the nonexistent numbers of the DECs critics.That said I agree that mandatory check stations would tighten up numbers...still many of those who already fail to report would probably continue to do so even with mandatory check stations. The reporting system is so easy and we get plenty of tags, why not report? I just don't get it unless you want to shoot more than 2 bucks a season. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I laughed pretty hard at that.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

For me the process is this fast: - Ass relative to shoulders - belly relative to brisquit - I don't think a particular age I think mature or not. And then it's no or go....btw I'll shoot what I make for a 2 yr old on public land if he is nice. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They add permits because less than 1/6 issued are filled. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/deerplan2012.pdf Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Phade if you want me to link the deer management plan where it specifically enumerates Population Management as it's #1 priority...I know you already know this but I'll go get it.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk