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here ya go gun&religion......my friends NH buck, 183 lbs dressed weight, went 40 yards after the shot
Say it ain't so!!!! Thank you sir. Thats how you say, the proof is in the pudding! end of debate!
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Fist off I would love to shoot a crazy antlered deer, could not do it like that, but the reality is those places may be the only place to do that. I don't care what others decide to do who am I to judge another's CHOICE. Those places pay BIG money to get the genetics into their herds, sperm,stud fees,studs, and like any other business they have to protect their investments, how else would I do it without a fence. It may not be the HUNTING most of us think about, some people must enjoy it or they wouldn't be in business. I love how people think if u don't hunt like them then it is not hunting, lol
Its not just against that don't consider it hunting. The record books as well as the DEC don't conisder it hunting. Hunting requires fair chase and a hunting license.
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Trust me.. In Africa... South Africa that is.. Without those high fences... You would not have game animals.. Theyt would be shot, trapped etc till there were none left..
Also goes back to, if you don't like it, don't do it or watch it...
How did they survive before the days of fences?
I don't watch it, but that doesn't mean I like the image it gives to people outside the sport or new to the sport. My buddy hasn't gotten anything in 5 years just sits waiting for something and then calls my buck a "cull" deer because of all he has learned from Larry Weishun and QDMA
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I showed my brother your post just to get a milatary persons perspective (US Marine) He said he would be willing to start at one entrance of a building with an AR-15 and you can start at the other entrance of the building with your M1 and see who makes it out the other side of the building (hint ,he said it won't be you) how could you possible sweep an interior of a building with a rifle that is so long and heavy .
Between my AR-10 (308) and my M4 (233) I'll take the M4 for CQ. I doubt Steve has ever done any kinda of a tac course like your brother. I love when people say the military has been considering larger calibers for our troops. Just curious did you get that info from soldier of fortune or Guns and Ammo? The complaints coming back from Iraq that I've heard are not bullet on body but bullet against barrier since a lot of buildings are made out of stone and cement rendering the light 556 round useless through said barrier. Another bit of food for thought, why do a ton of returning vets by AR style rifles for their home if they are so impractical? Getting off topic here but bottom line you shoot a deer in the chest with 223 its a dead deer. If you can't shoot well or like taking risky shots because, god forbidded you pass on a deer for a better shot later, Stick with your cannons. NExt year just to prove a point I'll shoot a deer with a 223 and post for everyone the entrance hole, exit hole, whats left of the heart, and pace off how far it ran if doesn't just drop. Then everyone could make up their own mind
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If it can kill it, sure why not! I wouldn't use it but its pretty cool.
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First.... depends on the size of the property under the high fence control... In Tex we are talking thousands of acres... not really an issue, more to stop others from sneaking on I'm thinking with that much land... I hunted Africa in one concession that was 12000 acres high fenced... Think it was easy?? Heck no.. If it's 400 well then, my thinking is, if you want to shoot one like that and brag, that's your deal... I wouldn't...
Regardless of how many acres you still not only have the game in but predators/poachers out as well as any outside factors like develpoing areas etc...
If there was no advantage people wouldn't put up hgih fences
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Oh you ALMOST lucked out, for I almost missed your stupid reply here. Our engagement in Iraq was NOTHING compared to what we faced in WWII and you damn well know it. If it was anything like WWII we would no doubt have been undergunned with the pipsqeek .223 in comparison to the M1 30-06 we carried in WWII, which of course also shot FMJ rounds You know, you are so full of it, it isn't even funny. I may be a stupid idiot but find me ONE experienced deer hunter out there who would recommend a .223 as a primary deer round to anyone like you were trying to do in Doc's thread?? Sorry, but you or your fathers experience don't count for JACK$#!+ here. We all know that any gun can kill a deer in the perfect situation, but to keep touting that the .223 will do the job just as well as the other standard deer rounds is downright laughable. You are making your self look MORE stupid with every post, this I can assure you.
And since I am at it, what's up with your stupid "Guns&ReligionCop" handle?? What makes you think you are a cop of either of these two topics?? Should we assume that you are an authority on these topics?? From some of the things you have written on this forum, you don't seem to be an authority on anything I'm sorry to say.
My "stupid" handle is refering to an Obama quote about Reublicans needing to let go of guns and religion. If you followed politics or had any education you might pick up on that. So you got down to name calling because you have nothing else to resort to? Try keeping it classy tough guy. If the 223/5.56 was such a failure as a weapon why is it such a great selling caliber and is a used by law enforcement agencies and our military? Actually don't bother responding because I could care less about you "Stupid" opinions because frankly they don't matter to me and I'm going to continue sharing my "Stupidity" with the rest!
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I hate these hunting shows and they are so far from reality. I grew up in PA and have hunted there my entire life. Even with antler restrictions in place its not common to see 120" class deer let alone anything larger. These shows are intended to sell products but confuse people into thinking thats really hunting. I have hours upon hour of hunting this season. Over 2 weeks on a managed farm in PA alone and I have never seen giant buck after buck or even 12 in a field like these programs have. When I see the bucks of tecomate or Larry Weishun talking about hunting and deer management I get angry so I stopped watching. Easy to manage deer behind a fence. They talk about hunting but given fair chase I would love to see them get anything. Hell Larry can't shoot unless he has all the time in the world from a tripod!! High Fenced isn't hunting its shooting.
You want some good reality stuff look on you tube. I much rather watch everyday Joe shoot real life buck or doe and not to the fist pump and some like Thank god for product X"
I guess I'll never be a "Bone Collector!"
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Never been a fan of crossbows and still don't really like them but after having 4 shoulder surgeries I realize the day that I will no longer be able to hunt in a traditional archery fashion is rapidly approaching and something needs to be done to allow the use of a crossbow in NY. If you don't like them don't use them. Someone else using them doesn't take away from your hunting experience but provides the oppurtunity for others who can no longer use a bow.
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What, are you advertsing?
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Doesn't matter with a gun that big, Any round in that caliber will do the trick on a whitetail but if your intrested in shooting groups play around
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There is no muzzleloader class. Hunter Education class is to hunt with any gun. Muzzleloader is a separate fee in addition to the hunting license you choose to purchase.
I'm not sure if it happened but I believe they have or are going to make a muzzle loader class just like 2 day archery that you will need to get the tag. Someone was asking me about it but I'm grandfathered because of having previous hunting licenses in so I don't really no much about that stuff
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Grouse were plenty, did ok with pheasants and squirrels and a couple of does with my bow. Only saw one good buck and I passed with hopes of a better shot that never came. Still have sometime though
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Everyones opinion of whats good and whats not also differ
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You can take him up for a good cleaning and touch up without changing the cape. Thats what Iw ould recommend
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The most truthful statement in this thread. Since the US military has been using the .223 we have yet to win a war decisively. It can't kill humans well, and many in the military have been wanting to adapt a more potent round, so I am supposed to believe that it will be sufficient for deer?? LOL
You should be a politician the way you spin things. The military uses a round called a FULL METAL JACKET or FMJ that purpose in any caliber is to do be less lethal. This FMJ is illegal to hunt with for that reason. So weather using a .308 or .223. your success rate of a lethal kill goes down tremendously with a FMJ. . Haven't won a war decisvely since the 223 is such a dumb statement. We lost more men during the first hour of D-day then the entire IRAQ engagment both dessert storm and enduring freedom. Also a lot soliders at the time were carrying 45 caliber thompsons. Is a 45 stronger than a 223? You have admitted to having ne experience with the .223 yet you continue with these kind of ridiculous statements
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Nothing worse than waiting all winter to get back a dissapointing mount
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I believe you can carry 2 and I can't find anything to suggest otherwise
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We don't know the story but an outcome like this is why you don't take head shots!!
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Next time I go to PA I'll take a pic of a target shot with a custom AR. 5 shots at 100 yards one hole. I can't take credit though it was my fathers group
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ha. well that's not your typical AR either
. couldn't use the bipod in my treestand anyhow. . Still think a .308 is a better round though if you had to choose.308 is definitely better but the 50 cal. BMG is even better!!!!! and if that doesn't do it I'm going straight howitzer!!!
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problem i have with backtags is that it makes noise when my back is against the tree. i only hunt private land where i walk out the back door. I've always had a license and tagged all my deer. I keep it in my fanny pack unless i'm on some unknown land. I dont really care and if some of you think it's a huge deal then please explain.
Its a huge deal ooooooooohhhhhhhh I'm telling!!!!
If you have it with you and its legit on private property you won't have a problem. I've seen DEC busting chops to a guy who had a unsigned license and in his wallet but just gave a harsh tongue scolding. If I was DEC I would have given the guy a ticket because he was kinda of an A$$! Same DEC didn't say anything to other guys that had them on their hat and belt loops -
The average human is larger than average deer. I've never seen 400 pound deer either!
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You are mistaking 22 caliber with 22 rimfire. A 223 and 222 are both 22 caliber bullets legal for hunting.
ShaunHu you said something about air-rifles being less dangerous in a urban environment, admittedly I have a lack of experience with airguns and you seem to be the authority on such but from what I see they aren't that much different an actuall rifle in form of preformance. How do you figure that they are any more safe than a bow or less dangerous than a rifle?