Rack Attack

I believe ALL hunting is a "privilege" is it not? I don't believe hunting is covered in the constitution...

Using that logic, bows are sharing a season with centerfire rifles! Hell, maybe the entire season is really just archery season and they just happen to let firearms in at certain points...

Oh give me a break, just about every other state allows crossbows in archery many with full inclusion. None of those states have issues with "trying to bring the next thing" into bow season! It's a GD stick and string whether its a long bow, recurve, compound, or crossbow, no one is bringing guns into early season. You know, I have watched my father enjoy archery season more in the last two years with a crossbow than I can remember in a long time and he has archery hunted since the 70's. Many of the people looking down on crossbows are the same ones preaching about "I can shoot whatever I want, it's my tag" which is fine, but now you're trying to use the same tactics you are against with crossbows by limiting or eliminating them from being use.

That's right, the way the law is written virtually eliminates Excalibur crossbows from being used in NY. Not that Excalibur is worried about it, but they are very much limiting their market share in NY with laws.

The fact of the matter is that the draw weight and limb width rules are both BS. I have a real hard time believing that the draw weight and width rules were established by a group of lawmakers (that know nothing about hunting) to try to equal out to a 70# draw weight conventional compound. Why specific to a 70# bow? What draw length? What brace height? What arrow weight? How many archers in NY do you think shoot a shoot a 70#, 30" draw, 6" brace height bow with a 400 grain arrow to get this max KE number? What about guys that shoot bows with heavier limbs than 70#, or have longer than 30" draw length? Should they also be limited because they have an advantage? Should we be limiting compound bows to some long bow, or recurve KE equivalent? Where does the BS end? How are the DEC officers policing this? Do they bring draw weight scales with them in the woods? Do they check and see if someone shimmed the limb pockets on their crossbow to get more speed out of it using the same draw weight limbs? The fact is that most of the officers wouldn't know what the draw weight even is, the only thing they have to go by is advertisements. How many people have actually checked to see what the real draw weight of their crossbow is compared to the advertised? What if you buy a crossbow with a higher advertised draw weight and back it down like MANY conventional archers do, is this illegal? How is it verified? Again, our state is creating laws (like the shooting hours) that they can't enforce properly.

Actually Scorpyd was founded in 2010. They where available for sale in NY when the first crossbow season was allowed.

Scorpyd has been around for much longer than crossbows have been allowed in NYS. I will agree that reverse limb technology was not as wide spread until recently.

Until you use a reverse limb crossbow like the Scorpyd, which is completely legal in NY.

As long as it is protected by a GFI (which it is if there is one feeding the circuit) it meets code. Like stated, you only need one in a circuit.

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The deer is a fake... http://www.newyorkupstate.com/outdoors/2017/12/31-point_upstate_ny_deer_of_the_year_story_false_shot_at_fenced_preserve.html#incart_river_index

If you don't have one of those foam coolers, I'm sure you could take a regular box and line it with rigid insulation from the hardware store and then still use the dry ice.

With the friends I have, you better shoot a bunch of them. They would be eating them like chicken wings. I know it's peoples choice to shoot what makes them happy, but realistically you couldn't get more than a grocery bag full of meat of the entire deer by time you trim it.

Yeah, I'm sure that one philly cheese steak sandwich you get out of one would be very tender.

Where are you located?

I'm not going to get into a lengthy debate about how things are written, cause I think we can all agree they are poorly written. I think the intent of the law was that in areas that allow rifle hunting for deer, you could hunt coyote with a rifle that is less than 22 caliber at night during deer seasons. This would create a defined line in the law that could be enforced as a rifle less than 22 caliber is not legal for use deer hunting, and if you were carrying a rifle 22 caliber or larger after hours you are clearly breaking the law.

I'm in Madison county east of 81, it has been rifle here for quite some time. I think it is county based.

The area of 7J I hunt, rifles are allowed. So with that said, how could an encon officer ever write a ticket for someone deer hunting before or after legal light in areas where rifle hunting deer is allowed? Before or after legal light, you would be coyote hunting...

Good luck with hunting coyotes at night with a centerfire larger than 22 caliber during an open deer season. You will be ticketed.

That is not true, if hunting at night during any open deer season whether its a rifle area or not it must be less than 22 caliber. before or after deer seasons you can use any caliber at night. The part you referenced is referring to shooting coyotes during daytime shooting hours.

Grow, please take a look at the next section down (hunting at night, which he was) Furbearer Hunting at Night You may hunt furbearers at night, with or without a light, as follows: You may use a light, but you may not hunt from any motor vehicle, including an ATV. All laws pertaining to the use of a spotlight and firearm apply. If hunting without a light, the use of a light gathering ("starlight") scope is legal on any firearm listed below. You may use a handgun, bow, or crossbow. You may use a shotgun loaded with shot (any size). You may hunt furbearers with a rifle chambered in any cartridge, except that during any open season for deer - including archery, muzzleloading and regular seasons - you may not possess a centerfire rifle afield, during the day or night, to hunt wildlife, including furbearers in any county or portion of a county where deer hunting with rifles is prohibited during the regular deer season. Centerfire rifles smaller than .22 caliber are permitted (e.g., .204, .17 Hornet). See the section above for further clarification. NOTE: In Westchester, Nassau, and Suffolk counties rifles are not allowed. In all other localities, be sure to check with local officials about laws restricting the discharge of a firearm at night.

Yep, if hunting at night during an open deer season, it must be less than .22 caliber. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/45559.html

This is a fair point. The coyote thing is an interesting topic. If the guy had a centerfire rifle it would need to be less than .22 caliber (which is not legal for deer), but since he was using a pistol, he was technically legal for coyote since they do not specify any caliber restrictions for hunting coyote at night like with a rifle. With that said, the guy is 110% at fault. I just don't know how you can aim at something well enough to hit it at 200 yards, and not be able to identify it as a human rather than a deer. I'm all for matching our legal hunting hours with most of the rest of the nation, being 1/2 hour before and after sunrise/sunset, but people need to use some common sense and follow the VERY BASIC safety rules of identifying their target! It's really not that hard to do folks!

Most of the smokeless builds are 45 caliber. If you choose to run sabotless (which is best) you have two options, either smooth forming using .451" diameter bullets, or full forming (which cuts rifling into the bullet) using 0.458" diameter bullets. Both work well, although smooth forming is a bit easier for the beginner or the average hunter.

Most of them are based off of the older Remington 700 ML actions, with either BRUX or Pacnor barrels. I have also done them based on Savage centerfire actions as well as Remington 700 centerfire actions. The Remington Ultimate is also a great platform to start from, all be it a little pricey to start from.