steve863

This is a bit funny to me. I was just reading another NY gun forum, and there were scores of people talking about how they will now be leaving NYS and moving to PA. Yeah, right, like in PA and other states you will be allowed to own AR's if there is a federal ban? I've sad it before. This time the $#!+ really hit the fan with how society perceives AR type weapons be it for the right or wrong reasons. Anyone openly acknowledging that they own, make, sell or having any other associations with AR guns will put you on a list just below the pedophiles. Not saying this is right, just pointing out what is happening in the country right now.

Don't worry, we won't. Me and Doe won't tell anyone about the finger in the deer poo incident. LOL

I haven't heard the NRA say a peep about the proposals that are virtually now law in Albany neither, has anyone else? I reckon they must be too busy counting the money the other fellas here sent them.

Actually YOU are the ignorant one for not realizing how society thinks these days. You thought more gun laws were not possible, right?? Well it looks like YOU were the stupid one for thinking that everyone out there thinks like you. I can assure you that they don't, and YOUR way of thinking will be even less common as we move into the future. So YOU can kiss yourself goodbye! LOL

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I can assure you that the vast majority of people in this country (including gun owners) would tell you that the 2nd amendment should NOT mean that everyone should own anything they want, with NO questions asked. So this in itself should be proof enough that we do NOT view the 2nd amendment today as we might have 230+ years ago. Those who think otherwise are honestly kidding themselves.

I am not commenting about this article, but the 2nd amendment is antiquated and has been for a very long time now. Whether you guys want to believe it, that is a different story. If the 2nd amendment was followed as written, we would have NO gun laws, everyone would own whatever they pleased and any gun law that was ever passed would have been ruled unconstitutional from the get go. Guess what fellas? Plenty of gun laws have been on the books for a LONG time now, and very few have been ruled unconstitutional. Even in the Heller case in D.C., an outright gun ban may be unconstitutional, but even the conservative judges never said that certain restrictions, licensing and other laws should also be dismantled. Gun laws are here to stay, and there will probably be more of them in the future. Future judges will be even less inclined to see the 2nd amendment, the way many of you here see it. So, all I can suggest is that you fellas get used to this type of thinking, for it ain't going back to how you would like to see it. Societies ideas changed on slavery, race and plenty of other things. Same will and has happened with gun ownership.

I'm honored, Burt! I reckon I've done my job well. LOL I'm sort of like Picasso or Elvis. If you see his artwork or hear his voice, you know exactly who it is.

Of course the NRA would walk out. It is to the financial benefit of any lobby group NOT to try to come up with some solutions on the issue they lobby for. You can take any lobby group, be it for or against any issue the goal is NOT to come to a solution on the subject. If a solution would be reached, how would they make their money then?? If you guys haven't noticed yet, it has become the American way NOT to ever come up with any solutions. The goal is simply to keep people fired up enough to throw money at the lobby groups, yet NOTHING will ever get solved.

I'm sure some here will claim that it should be legal under the 2nd amendment. When the founding fathers said "well regulated Militia", they really meant that they wanted to keep their bowel movements regular. And when they said "the right to bear arms", this also meant that they could bare other parts of their bodies, such as their ASSES. LOL

With the chubby girls, it can be difficult to find what your looking for. Then again, just a little dab of vaseline on any of the folds could do the trick.

LOL, sounds like he has an ASS of MASS destruction! Your office needs to write a letter to Cuomo to ban his ass too! LOL

OK, so if they do, exactly what do you intend to do about it?? Democrats are over 50% of the registered voters out there(and growing in comparison to republicans), so exactly how will you change their minds?? Just spewing BS that the democrats suck, will get you NOWHERE! It would seem to me that it would be worthwhile to think up a plan on how to try to reason with these people, instead of only trashing them. Unfortunately to me it seems like our side has NO plan. It's simply the same old tune, which people right now are buying into LESS than ever.

I think Elmo was the unlucky one who got payback for all the women who have been violated by male gynocologist over the years. I think I would have ran for my life as soon as I saw it was a woman who would be doing that test! No way would she have gotten even a peek at my pecker! LOL

I have never claimed that further gun control will be a sure fix. All I know is that the anti side is coming with a vengeance like never before right now. Even many who were pro-gun politicians are admitting that some things need to change. The momentum seems to be on their side, while our side still continues to sing the same worn out tune. In my opinion the tune just doesn't fly anymore with modern day thinking, so we shall see what happens.

Doc, I will put your name up for nomination to represent us gun owners instead of Jones or Nugent. I am confident that you will NOT make us look like a bunch of bafoons! I think you are exactly what our side needs. LOL Good luck, and let us know how it all works out!!

Very true, the crime rate is lower. I would say this is due mostly to better economic opportunities for some that didn't have the same opportunities back then. Even with lower crime rates, I don't think society finds the idea that someone could easily obtain a rifle or pistol that can easily have a high capacity magazine attached to it acceptable. I sure know that when I started getting into hunting and shooting in the late 70's, such equipment was surely not so readily available. Today, it's almost like a game where people are arming themselves to the teeth with this stuff for some sort of armegedon. Guns used to be advertised as equipment to hunt or target shoot with. Today you look at a hunting or gun magazine and it looks like you are reading "Soldier of Fortune" magazine. Now that we have had people actually commiting crimes with this equipment, we have ALL become suspect thanks to those who wanted the gun industry to go down such a road.

No big deal if we don't agree. I just think that the freedom of gun ownership is not as simple as many pro-gun people make it out to be. If the 2nd amendment were as absolute as some think, wouldn't any or ALL gun laws been ruled unconstitutional over the years?? They haven't and never will be quite honestly. In my mind what was said about weapons 240 years ago simply doesn't apply in the same way today when weaponry is way more sophisticated. If "the people" should be allowed the same fire power as the gov't, then I guess it would be OK for "the people" to own nukes today? Maybe some 2nd amendment proponents want that too, but I really don't think you will get the rest of society on the same page with that. Times change and thought processes change, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. It did with slavery, racial issues, prohibition, and many other things too. Yet we are still the same nation and a change in any of these ideologies hasn't brought us down for good yet, neither will this gun issue in my opinion.

I never asserted that gun restrictions are the major reason for the crime drop. Statistics CAN and ARE manipulated by all sides to make themselves look better. Just as it could be a stretch to say gun restrictions led to the drop in crime, I think it's also a stretch for the other side to say that the many guns out there have absolutely NO effect on high murder rates. I simply think people have to see everything for what it is and not pretend that somethings, such as guns have nothing to do with crime rates. I can't disagree with what you said in your second paragraph because it is the truth, but I surely couldn't begin to guess what solutions are possible there.

I wonder if the native Americans said the same thing when the white man sailed over to these shores??? I reckon we are getting a taste of our own medicine now? LOL

Sure it happens, though the crime rate in NYC is lower than many other places in the US in more recent years. Highly unlikely that anything would happen to you on the day you visit. Man, sometimes I wonder how many shadows some of you guys have shot at over the years?? LOL I don't know how I could go on living if I were as paranoid about what MIGHT happen to me any given day. Today I may scare off that bandit with my gun, while tomorrow I could have a brain hemorrage and still end up in that same aromatic pine box. What will be, will be, no sense freaking out over stuff 24/7.

Actually, lots of people have lived in NYC their entire lives without incident, so you shouldn't think that your incident is something that happens to everyone on a daily basis down there.

To kill a bunch of people with a bomb or poison actually takes a bit more ingenuity than buying an AR15 with an extended magazine in many peoples opinion. Not everyone knows how to make a bomb or concoct and administer a poison, while getting a gun and ammo legally are as simple as driving to your nearest gun retailer. That's what we have been seeing of late, and that's why the anti's are all over this now. We as gun owners see guns in recreation or collection, etc. while the rest of society ONLY sees them in violent acts. I for one can see why they would feel the way they do. Trying to point out to them that guns are NOT part of the problem simply will not work anymore.

Nope, violence surely will NOT cease even if guns were totally eliminated. Never said it would. I however will NEVER be convinced that a gun doesn't make it easier for someone to actually go thru with a murder, because in my opinion it's way easier to kill someone with a gun than it is with a bomb, knife, strangulation or any other means. A gun is the implement of choice for most of the murders in this country for a reason, and the reason being they are readily available and effective leaving little actual blood on the person committing the murder.

Honestly I wish I had a dollar for each time I heard a pro-gun person use this lame analogy over the last few weeks! If you fellas can't quite figure it out, a car was invented for transportation to replace the horse and carriage. It's main purpose is to take someone from point A to point B. Now tell us what guns were originally invented for?? Surely not something as innocent as transportation?? There lies the difference, and there lies the reason that society will never accept this lame analogy!

Definitely many factors, but for pro-gun people to blame Hollywood and at the same time say that the easy availability of guns in NO way should ever be blamed is downright silly. Maybe pro-gun people were able to get away saying this up to this point, but I can assure them that those days are now forever gone. I don't think anyone should forget that for all the gun owners there are in this country, there are MORE that don't own guns and have few issues with having stricter gun laws. The 4 million NRA members are outnumbered by a large margin, that is for darned sure.